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Denise Goodfellow

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Post Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:52 pm

Why is flooded window coming off.

Hi everyone.
We flooded the rear windows of a vw van the other week, we then lettered it.

It was really cold and we did it outside, the owner has now called in to say its coming off. Is it all down to the cold, we used Hexis digital wrapping vinyl.
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:21 pm

You'll need to check the technical data sheet for the vinyl you've used but I would say you're absolutely right, from now until march I doubt we'll get more than a few days where you can confidently apply vinyl outdoors!

Glass is even worse as it tends to stay slightly colder than painted panels.

We do on average around 5 vehicles a week, when the temperature drops we tend to allow 30 minutes extra on a job so we can heat every vehicle with a gas space heater before fitting and try to leave the vehicle inside as long as possible to give the adhesive the best start in the curing process.

Hope that helps

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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:30 pm

I fit Oracal 551/751 to vehicles out in all weathers including snow on the ground
and never had a problem. Last year covered rear windows on several vans with Oracal 3164 in minus temps outside still all good.

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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:30 pm

I am unclear on your terminology, Denise. When you say Flooded, do you mean wet-applied?
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:36 pm

when it's really cold and were doing van rear windows we leave the van running with the heated screen turned on it works a treat,you will be supprised how warm it will get. :)
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:54 pm

Simon Worrall wrote:I am unclear on your terminology, Denise. When you say Flooded, do you mean wet-applied?


Simon
she means totally covered edge to edge
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Denise Goodfellow

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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:28 pm

Kevin Flowers wrote:
Simon Worrall wrote:I am unclear on your terminology, Denise. When you say Flooded, do you mean wet-applied?


Simon
she means totally covered edge to edge


Spot on, not app fluid used
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:44 pm

If you have a look at the oracal application guide you'll find all the specific info you need for applying vinyl at minimum temperature.

It even mentions avoiding shocking the vinyl when taking from a heated workshop to cold temps outdoors.

You can get away with it if you heat the vinyl with a heat gun after application to start the curing process but again it's all in the application / technical instructions :)
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Post Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:41 pm

Alec
i agree there are tech guides for the application i'm only stating what we get away with, a fleet of vehicles are not going to wait until we have warm weather. Even the workshops on site where open. I personally have never had a problem with vinyl failing. We use felt squeegees and these can generate heat when you apply the vinyl we normally rub over the app tape several times.

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Post Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:54 am

We mainly use Oracle 651 For vans and have always applied outdoors for 15 years never had a problem. Always apply with a heat gun and blast it on.
the trick is make sure its clean.
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Post Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:13 am

we had to use wrapping vinyl as the rear window had curves in a couple of directions

iy`s coming back in on friday so we`ll see then
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Post Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:19 am

Clean the window with White Vinegar !
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Post Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:18 pm

I use Iospropynol or an alcohol based glass cleaner first, to clean as much grease and dirt off as possible. I guess when you think something is clean, there is usually a product which proves it isn't. About every 6 months I use a clay bar on my cars paintwork after it has been washed twice with a decent car shampoo. Invariably the clay lifts off dirt that you would not expect to be there as the car looks and feels clean!

Also, depending on the vehicle, it may have a nano coating on the glass! I believe there is a product available which eliminates this problem, how though I am not sure!
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Post Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:05 pm

Hi There,

Oracal do 3161DT and 3551DT , the DT stands for Deep temperature , can be applied at minus 5 , should help in the cold months ahead.

3161 is a monomeric 4 yr , 3551 is a 7yr soft polymeric.

Hope that helps.

Cameron

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