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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:42 am

Waste, how do you dispose of yours?

I know this may not be something many of you think about, but laws are quickly changing and in many cases already have. One being....
"How we dispose of our waste!"

We do try the whole recycling of waste scenario, but it’s very difficult unless we spend allot of time separating "this from that" and in many cases, "is that recyclable?"

We go through vinyl carrying paper like no one’s business.
We purchased a bailer to help compact the paper waste for dumping etc…
But the vinyl’s carrying paper is not recyclable due to its silicon coating!

Last month we discovered that the councils within 10 miles at least have all closed down their landfill sites to business’s and you must now dispose of your waste via privately owned waste management companies.

My understanding now is that we all should also have a license of sort to show you effectively dispose of your waste as a company. If not enforced in your area soon, it IS coming...

As you can see, the grip is getting tighter on us all and I for one want to find a cost effective way of doing this properly.

We normally paid about £15+ for a van load of waste at the local landfill site due to 85% being paper and card. However, our last drop of same at a recycling plant cost us £60 for same amount.

My question is, “How you do you dispose of your waste, and how cost effective is it over other methods you have tried, if any?”

Look forward to hearing your replies, suggestions.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:01 am

Hey Rob,

Can't comment on pricing but can say what we do.

We have general dump bins for non recyclable goods.
Backing paper they won't touch down here.
We have a paper and cardboard recycling bin.

We also have an in house cardboard shredder we use to make void filler out of all our boxes our media comes in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCtjaa2QNk

We use a bin tipper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PleacsH9vg to get all our rubbish into our master bins.

We're looking at plastic recycling now to recycle our corflute etc waste.

We've started to generate alot more waste with out flatbed setup and looking at ways of managing it better.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:42 am

Likewise with backing paper I have never heard of anyone managing to recycle it. We have an extremely progressive recycling setup in this small NZ town, but even they wont touch backing paper. I reckon it is 80% of our waste by volume. I'd like to know if anyone anywhere gets it recycled.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:06 am

Perhaps we should collectively take legal action against our local councils for failing to provide the services they were originally set up to provide. Councils seem to regard the general public and business as a nuisance.

Meanwhile we are left to deal with "suspect" private recycling companies that have sprung into existence as a result of the business oppoortunities that have arisen as a result of Government, EU and local council waste disposal policies.

I've never understood the problem we have with "landfill". Everything we have, and are, came from the ground. What is wrong with putting it all back into the ground at the end of it's life as part of a natural recycling process?

Once it's back in the ground, cover it up and build houses, towns and cities on it. After all most of our towns and cities are built on previous landfill sites?
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:14 am

My council recycling company have taken all my backing paper and signage waste since I started vinyl cutting 7 years ago.



I'm afraid to say it too loudly or to ask them what they do with it, in case they tell me to stop!
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:20 am

Ah, but they're "Oirish" and probably don't realise it can't be recycled :-?
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:27 am

I've got a massive wheelie bin, and chuck everything in there.

Once a week it's collected, and goes off to a local depot where it's all sorted into recyclables.

Although I didn't realise backing paper wasn't recyclable :o

Easy and costs about £40 a month. :D
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 am

We just downgraded from huge skips to wheelie bin viridor... however the backing of paper was argued and eventually they took it with paper, the silicon isn't that bad on the Avery but it is something that vinyl companies need to explain to us better, what we can do with the waste?!
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:39 am

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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:44 am

I'm amazed you're all getting your waste taken away by the local councils!?

They certainly don't do that here for any businesses.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:46 am

It's not the local council removing our waste. Private company who recycle what they can.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:56 am

Phill Fenton wrote:Ah, but they're "Oirish" and probably don't realise it can't be recycled :-?


One of the benefits of having the Greens (some would say, the only one! :D ) in the last government is that we have a great recycling and waste disposal policy and awareness is high. When I initially ordered the extra bins the guy on the phone had reservations about the silicone paper but he said send it in and I have heard noting since. Would be interested to know if other Irish members are getting rid the same way?

Somebody was telling me or I heard on the telly that the bottom has fallen out of the value of recycleables due to the recession and that huge stockpiles are building up. It will be interesting to see if government rows back on the regulations now that their is no monetary value.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:13 am

There must be some value left in recyclables. A council local to us is paid by a private company for the rights to do the domestic household waste collections.
This has caused uproar on two fronts. Firstly, residents were expecting the savings to be passed on by way of a council tax reduction. Secondly, because the private company wants to maximise its profits, they've clamped down hard on rejecting contaminated recycling loads. In their firsst week of operating, hundreds of bins were left at the kerbside unemptied.

We're lucky with our commercial waste, the majority of our work is done in schools, so our waste becomes their waste :)
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:32 am

Harry Cleary wrote:
Phill Fenton wrote:Ah, but they're "Oirish" and probably don't realise it can't be recycled :-?



Somebody was telling me or I heard on the telly that the bottom has fallen out of the value of recycleables due to the recession and that huge stockpiles are building up. It will be interesting to see if government rows back on the regulations now that their is no monetary value.


Thats true. We do stuff for a Cycle company and they bought a compactor for all their waste cardboard and were making decent money selling it. Now nobody wants it.
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:31 pm

Backing paper

Correct Harry, we produce mountains of the stuff and I couldnt believe someone couldnt do anything with it and as we recently resigned all the recylcling centres in Fife I put the to the manager, "not recyclable" not sure he checked much though
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:11 pm

Adrian, it was a comment you made in another thread that spurned me to make this one mate. how cost effective do you find thise skips?
i am assuming this is the type with the padlock doors? not open top free for all?


also, as has been said, now all is being recycled, its hard to get rid of it?

could this be similar to solar power, now the value of that has fallen less than half. but how come if its needed?
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:18 pm

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Rob its a hard one, because all our waste is light and bulky we have a double sided compactor. We therefor collect all the waste in big bins and then get someone to put it into copactor once each side is full its off loaded to froklift and put in lockable skip with cover in car park, we get skip emptied about once a month from memory cost about £150 per month..

We do waste man hours with the compacting but the standard Fife Council refuse service is not suited to Sign Companies certainly not of our size as we would need about 10 bins and boy do they know how to charge for their bins
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:19 pm

Solar Power

Sorry forgot about comments on Solar POwer sorry dont know anything about solar power
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Post Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:42 pm

i did wonder about those fire bricks u can get instead of logs for your fireplace.... but how safe is silicon ? then when i looked into it u need to store paper pulp for months before you can actually burn it correctly lol
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:40 am

have an industrial burner that burns everything except release liner and anything printed which is then crushed with a compactor and taken away with the refuse. :D
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 am

Burner

Hi Nicola I would be interested in learmimg more about your burner and the regulations around the use of it ?
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 pm

Last place I work, we used a firm (J&G Enviromental) to come an collect the waste, just have to sort it slight into different cages (Paper, coated/silcon paper, chemicals) worked quite well, not too sure on costs as I haven't worked there for a few years...

.... Now being only 2 of us, recyclable paper & cardboard goes to local Morrisons recycling bank, no ones told us off yet.

Rest goes in big green wheelie bin, £20 per month.

The young lad that works here has start an 'experiment' to make EcoLogs out of the paper and turn that into a new cash stream (Told him he can keep the £££ if it clears our waste)
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:09 pm

looked at burners myself a few years back nik as one of our customers had one and heat his unit at the same time. when i looked into it there was some restrictions that swayed me away from it. new H&S regulations and the like. also had a customer, a machanic and all he burned was old oil he took from cars and trucks, again he used it to heat his unit... so recycling his own waste. said it was great and low cost.
would be interested in knowing the type you run in the off chance its not one ive looked into in the past...
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Post Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:06 pm

From what I understand waste oil burners need to be registered and licenced, needless to say this involves a fee to the council. I suspect burners may be the same and the cost of the licences may make them less attractive quite apart from initial cost and maintenance.
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Post Wed May 08, 2013 11:21 am

Resurrecting this thread, because I had a visit from our local council (North Norfolk) sales manager, who took away some backing paper, - probably Oracal - and returned yesterday to say it is fine to go in the recycling bin, so at last, I can recycle!
The vinyl, though, is still a no-go. :-?

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Post Wed May 08, 2013 12:24 pm

Lorraine Clinch wrote:Resurrecting this thread, because I had a visit from our local council (North Norfolk) sales manager, who took away some backing paper, - probably Oracal - and returned yesterday to say it is fine to go in the recycling bin, so at last, I can recycle!
The vinyl, though, is still a no-go. :-?

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Having been with Veolia for 2 years and they doubled there price I questioned it and they now say I can recycle everything. Been doing it for almost 2 months with no kick backs.
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Post Wed May 08, 2013 4:03 pm

We had a shared wheelie bin on the estate but obviously with the amount of waste we decided to get our own. Rang the national company already mentioned and was told £20 per wheelie bin per week / fortnight etc, said I would think about it when operator asked what I was disposing of, explained everything and was told 'Oh you can have one of our recycle wheelie bins' oh ok says me and how much are they ' £4 per empty ' and for the last year we have chucked all backing sheets and any scrap vinyl that don't go to the school in it without a single problem (except their poor service but thats another thread lol) so was pretty chuffed, landlord is happy cause we only put one bag a week in the shared bin with the stuff we cant recycle but I'm sure the driver don't even look whats in it.

Certainly hope they keep taking it and I would hate to think how much some of you guys must be paying to get rid of it when i started I could not believe how much waste it generated. Mountains of the stuff lol.

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