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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:58 pm

Apple or PC new sign design computer?

We are about to buy a new main graphic design computer and not having owned an apple system before was wondering if anyone can explain why they seem to be favoured by a lot in the design industry?

Guess just asking which is the best option in peoples opinions and why?

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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:06 pm

got a tin and some popcorn :wink:
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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:16 pm

Chris Wool wrote:got a tin and some popcorn :wink:


:D

Macs could be compared to Marmite, you know the rest!!

Put it this way once you get a mac and use it for a while you'll not want to go back to a PC.

Be prepared to spend more money on the purchase. You won't be able to get as much compatible software either but hey you'll be a mac user and it won't matter.

Not much help, sorry.

The PC users will back me up :-?
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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:42 pm

oh you don't know what you have started, as Chris says get comfy :lol1:
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i got ice cream and every thing
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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:51 pm

Are you saying they are good for watching movies then :lol1:

My opinion so far is how can they be worse than a pc and windows etc etc

We do most our work with CS4 and some with Corel aside from those not an awful lot else we use for sign work

So come on then sing the old praises of the Apples, MACs whatever they are called these days? What sets them apart?

Also how do they relate as far as processor speeds go as they seem to have lower speeds in general (is this because they are real speeds?)

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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:59 pm

i use both..... ish

i have a high end PC for the rip and sign-lab
and i use to use a mac for illustrator, in-design and photo-shop but i got so fed up with them dying on me i decided to build a Mac!!

you can build a custom PC to the spec of a mac pro and stick OSX on it
and the whole thing will cost you the price of a basic iMac

OK you don't get the style statement of "owning a Mac" but you can stick a finger up at all the Apple Fan Boys who have a Photo of Steve Jobs next to there bed and its totally legal as long as you bye the OSX CD from Apple

Have a look here http://www.hackintosh.com/

and if you decide you don't need a mac just format the HDD and stick Wind-blows on it
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Post Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:19 pm

if your a CS4 user then you been fine on a mac... its great to use...

but as i am a corel man i use the PC


macs have been dominate in the litho industry for many years mainly due to the development of the operating system for use with graphics and quark express/pagemaker and then most of the adobe programs. PC in the early days didn't have the raw power that a mac had.
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Post Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:54 am

Dave summed it up pretty well. Corel stopped making Draw for Macs (rumours it may come back) so if you use Corel you would need windows although you could run that on your Mac.

I would be 100% Mac if I didn't need a PC with a Parallel port and some old software that is never going to be updated and oh Corel. I have VMware fusion and bootcamp for running windows on my Mac but I prefer my Windows XP machine for it's speed and rock solidabilty for Corel and Mach 3.

As far as 'making a mac' is concerned, it's a good fun project and gives you loads of satisfaction on getting one over the expensive Apple brand. Although not 'illegal' it is against the EULA to run OSX on non-apple branded hardware. Not that Apple is going to do anything about it. I certainly wouldn't be running my business's main computer on a 'Hackintosh'. I think Neil and Warren have iMac's. You won't be building your own iMac :lol1:

I think the price of an iMac is ok. They look fab, the screen is great, and you don't have a pile of wires and a dusty box of electronics on the floor under the desk. :wink:
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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:40 am

If it is a business decision then it is straight forward you get twice the machine for half the cost if you buy a PC, not only twice the machine in terms of processing power etc but it Will run four times as much software.

Business decisions do not factor in "they look good"


Most mac people run windows emulation software but most windows people do not run any sort of mac emulation software, says it all.

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Post Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:19 am

MAC users justify why they paid extra for less - PC users get on with their work.
(This is a light hearted comment before anybody gets the hump).
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Post Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:18 pm

an old thread but i couldn't resist replying as an owner/user of both and an IT contractor for over 20 years i often find people forget that residual value is an interesting point worth looking at in mac land.

Yes the initial purchase price is higher, but as an example i bought a new white Imac for my wife, about a grands worth 6-7 years ago, sold it when i upgraded her to the newer intel silver screen ones 18 months ago and we got back 45% of its original purchase price on ebay, in all my (to many) years i have never had a return like that from any other IT related hardware.

I notice the residuals on ebay for my power mac are also staying rather healthy.
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:31 am

See my comment above :)
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:40 am

Well, today I think we should forget the Apple - PC war and pay tribute to Steve Jobs who passed away. There's no no getting away from the fact that his vision changed the computing world forever.
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:40 am

I agree Alan, but only once my win 7 pcs have booted to a desktop in a useable state, windows update has completed, av has updated, anti spyware and/or windows defender has updated, then I can just get on with it :p

I have something like 4 windows 7 pcs, 3 apple macs and 2 ubuntu machines at home, it's like a well oiled productivity machine heheh.

It's all food though, it's like commodore v spectrum, Subaru v evo, Xbox v playstation (choose your generation) all light hearted banter, choose what works for you and yours :)
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Post Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:44 am

Peter, absolutely light hearted banter and Neil a very valid point, Steve Jobs' contribution to the computing industry will be missed and he will be a hard act to follow. I have no doubt he has left Apple with a multitude of new innovations which we will see in the coming years.

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Post Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:39 am

I have been on Mac's forever, I owned a del for 6 months some 8 years ago. However, for 'business' purposes it seems that a decent PC is 2/3 of the price of a Mac it runs mail accounts fine, browses the internet without an issue and such and software wise our accounts and RIP will only run PC. At home I have x2 iMac's and me and the wife have iPhones/ipods and the whole sync'ing thing is great and the intuitive 'i' programs are perfect for home use.

You pay your money - you take your chance.

Hope my first post was useful :D
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Post Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:55 pm

Apple seem to have forgotten that some people use these as a commercial tool, not to sit looking 'trendy' in their apartments, checking facebook or in starbucks on their laptop because their iphone, or ipad doesn't make them look hip.

Which is why you will find the newest Imac don't come with a simple yet essential CD drive... but hey why would you want one??? It's thinner than ever!
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Post Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:48 pm

David Hammond wrote:Which is why you will find the newest Imac don't come with a simple yet essential CD drive... but hey why would you want one??? It's thinner than ever!


I use my Mac professionaly and can't remember tha last time I used the CD drive.
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Post Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:51 pm

Impact vehicle outline?
H&S Library?
Installing software?
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Post Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:07 pm

We use 3 Macs in work. 2 iMacs and and a G4 Quicksilver.
There are some limitations software wise but having used macs since day one I just love them, they're so easy to use.
OK they have their glitches but then so do Ferraris!!! :wink:

By the way we have a PC for the printer.
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Post Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:34 pm

I used pcs for 23 years, bought a mac 2 years ago and LOVE IT..
if I have to go on the pc slave...(got one for cutter and printer) ...I find myself moaning about how difficult it is to use.....

I run parallels on my mac too, so I can use coreldraw on it ...but do everything else on the mac.... I use the multi desktops all the time and how easy it is to get around to finding all my files and everything..


Mac every time for me now.
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Post Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:39 pm

Just ordered up all the bits & bobs to build 3 new shining pcs, I've tried macs in the past but always revert back to a pc.

Love the mac vs pc debate, it's always so entertaining!!! :D
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Post Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:44 pm

I absolutely love Macs. What could be simpler than the hardware AND operating system both coming from the same people. You know what you get with a Mac and given the choice, I would much rather use one than a PC.

However!! If I need something done in a hurry, and I usually do, I use a PC. My laptop and main computer for work are PC's. My server is a PC. My daughters laptop, PC. Most of my customers use PC. My media computers however are Mac mini's and they just work all the time!!

I know it's not a particularly helpful post but that's the way I look at it.

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Post Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:19 pm

CD's installing software pretty much is it.... internet for everything else.

i hardly use mine... the outlines are on the server, u never know when u damage a CD

my mac which doubles as a Bootcamp PC... i love it but its all about software in the real world tbh.
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Post Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:43 pm

Macs all the way, we use a 27" iMac running illustrator, photoshop and fluid mask and a mac book pro running same but with a i7 processor. We create everything in illustrator then export as a eps into onyx on our pc to print and cut. Macs just work, not as many worries about virus's and the like and the software just runs with no problems as long as you've got the memory installed. If we could do everything on the mac we would but the odd bits we do on sign lab and the fact we use onyx means we have to use a pc other than that it would just be propping the door open...
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Post Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:02 am

In a nutshell I think PC's etc just make things too complicated.
Today I had a play on a Samsung tablet thing and to be honest they seem to clutter everything with stuff you just don't need.
An iPad is so much easier to use, as is an iMac, iBook and iPhone.
The craze now with laptops seems to be this detachable tablet thing which is utter cr*p.
The PC world seems to think the more faddy/complicated something is the better it is!
I am bias tho as I love anything that's Apple. I'm reading Steve Jobs Biography at the moment and the guy had so much vision back in the 70's / 80's that the likes of HP and Atari didn't have.

PS, please forgive me tomorrow as its the beer talking :D
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Post Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:19 am

Here also mac since I can remember myself working on computers...
You won't here me say it is the best, but you can prevent a lot of computer madness by switching over :))

I am very very very precise when it comes to colour, and reproducing colour!!
Colour setup is much easier on mac.
For example even in Apple Mail, a image does look the same, when looking at it in Photoshop...

A few years ago I was working on a Powermac with an LACIE, later the EIZO, nowadays I am working on a callibrated Imac screen, and I have to say that I am surprised by its colour reproducing ability!

On a mac there's a lot preinstalled, no need to install drivers when connecting new hardware, nope :)

On daily base I work in a environment with 8 mac's without any virusscan software, without any IT specialist.

If windows is the reason you stay working on pc, then buy a mac and install parallels or fusion, or freeware virtual box!
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Post Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:18 am

Please remember, apple surrendered the hardware battle a few years ago when they switched to intel processors and architecture, you will also find ATI graphics cards in most high end Mac’s. Mac’s ARE pc’s running a pretty, intuitive OS in a very well styled box !

Should this debate not be renamed OSX vs windows ?

If I were spending someone else’s money and buying a machine for 2D digital content creation then yes I would probably go Mac.

While I am spending my own money I well continue to assemble my own PC’s, that have the same if not better performance for a third of the price !
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Post Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:12 pm

yes indeedo intel inside. lol

Win XP vs OSX, OSX wins easy
Win Vista vs Anything else, Anything else wins!
Win 7 vs OSX, I have to say Win 7 will put up a good fight.
Win 8 vs OSX, Don't get me started on Win 8!
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Post Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:24 am

Mac v pc

simples @ meerkat .com

You use macs for what they are good at (limited)
You use pcs for what they are good at

16 PCs 3 macs no argument

Flexisign pro for signs (pcs like this)
CS for design (bit of both)
Quark for publishing (macs like this)
Drivers,RIPS,Machine controllers,Routers and Laser cutters nearly only work on PCs

Email is best via pc as you have attachments that need office
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Post Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:27 am

Dave Rowland wrote:yes indeedo intel inside. lol

Win XP vs OSX, OSX wins easy
Win Vista vs Anything else, Anything else wins!
Win 7 vs OSX, I have to say Win 7 will put up a good fight.
Win 8 vs OSX, Don't get me started on Win 8!


I 100% echo that OS off.

As for the hardware, I know that the likes of Intel, ATI, probably Seagate and some other are involved in the Mac now, but they all come under the Apple Mac product, which gives you the whole Mac 'system'. Even Windows is pretty solid on a Mac, although a Mac doesn't feel as nice with Windows as it does with OSX
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Post Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:23 am

our 27" i7 mac we got a year or more ago.. fantastic PC
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:11 am

Been using Macs for over 20 years. Needed to change my MacBook before Christmas. Wasn't prepared to spend the biggest part of £2K on a new one. Bough an AlienWare laptop for £1.2K and it's brilliant. Doesn't look quite as nice as the older MAcbook but it eats through Adobe when required.

I think Apple have lost the plot now. They have always been more expensive but it just seems they are taking advantage of users, a shame.

We also bought a new imac to test out, like it, takes up little space and is better value for money than their laptops.

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Post Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:09 am

I have always used PC's...
Began dabbling in Video editing and was told MAC's were the way to go.
purchased a new top end Mac Pro at £3000+
purchased Mac's own Final Cut Pro video editing software and some others...
expensive setup, but wanted to do it right from word go.

loved how smooth it all worked, and everything integrated with each other.
but, the one real reason for my switch was video editing software crashing on my PC.
guess what, the MAC crashed too, possibly more so!
the advantage the Mac had over the computer was when it did crash, and i rebooted, it had saved roughly up to where it had crashed. the PC did not.

because i seldom used the MAC and when i did, i felt i was having to try remember my way around it all again, bugged me. so in the end i just reverted back to my PC and made sure i hit save every 10 minutes or so while working.

the MAC is now sold and had very little use.

i have no doubt these are brilliant machines and my brothers and sister also use them and swear by them. but for me i spent half the money on a top end PC and does everything i want and more. "other than autosave videos" :lol1:
that said, i think i heard windows 8 does this, which im about to upgrade to anyway. we will see... :wink:
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:27 am

Must remind those thinking of Win8 for PC, its a great tablet toy but for mainstream PC it is FASTER but they removed the standard Start Button!!!!!

U can hack it to work but u must know that they messed about with it.
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:15 am

The first computer I had was a little mac all in one , then an apple 2 digitising system, but as Gerber was PC based, I stayed with pc, the macs are lovely machines, but as others have said can do all run all machines including old edge etc with PC.

I have an iPad which I think is the best piece of technology I have bought in recent times, but it hasn't made me want to rush out and get macs. I have many pcs at work, I use a Lenovo w700 on a daily basis, it's 4 years old now but as a laptop it still competes well today with 17" screen, built in Pantone calibration, Wacom tablet, 1gb quadro graphics 8gb memory double 500gb drives, now changed to ssd, and a load more, I think value wise that has been very good and problem free, sad thing is they have stopped making 17" now, they are ugly compared to mac, nothing fashionable about IBM/Lenovo but great build and quality. At home we have a new 23" thinkcenter with touchscreen all in one, and while it doesn't look like a mac :) it's been a great machine too.

I haven't tried windows 8 and am in no rush to do so, think that today much of the pc mac thing is down to what you like the look of as functionality seems to be similar.

Don't own an iPhone, I have always liked Nokia and had an n900 Linux phone and changed that to Nokia n9 Linux which looks like the Nokia lumia windows phone. Love that phone 64gb, but it was frustrating as lots of great things that were available to iPhone/iPad where not for Linux based n9, now feel I have a good combination, with iPad and my pc's!
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:47 am

I have always been of the opinion that MACS are overpriced and overated and as my relatively cheap PC with Signlab, Corel Draw and other programmes not available for MAC (unless you use Windows on the MAC) successfully allow me to run my business profitabiy and have done for a good number of years I'm unlikely to change.
As I have posted before, MAC users justify why they spent more for less, PC users get on with their work. :)
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