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Gwaredd Steele

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Post Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:46 pm

RAL or Pantone colour match help please!

Hi all.

Have a big job on for a large corporate & they have sent through a 20 page booklet on how to layup the signage etc!

The colours are very strict.

The first is Pantone 1665 C or RAL 2004 Real Orange. It also lists another code which is DECAL 3M 100 - 14. Does that mean anything to anyone? I don't have a 3M swatch or supplier.

The second colour is Pantone 295 C or RAL 5003 Sapphire Blue. Again, it lists anther code DECAL 3M 100 - 724.

Any help appreciated, especially on the 3M codes, as I'd like to get this bang on.

Many thanks,

Gwaredd.
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Post Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:54 pm

Only got a 3M series 50 swatch.

What you need is a 3M supplier (William Smiths) and the codes you give are from the 100 series and the extra number is the colour code i.e. 14 orange.

Dave
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Post Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:17 pm

Super. Cheers!
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Post Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:53 pm

Ooh, that 100 series is not cheap is it!!! :lol1:
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:17 am

Gwaredd Steele wrote:Ooh, that 100 series is not cheap is it!!! :lol1:

Nope.

But if it's what they specify, then it's what they want and they must be prepared to pay the price. :D
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:49 am

They don't want to pay that's the trouble. They've already beaten £980 off my original quote, so they will be getting amaribond instead of alumunim, & the closest Avery/mactac/7 year vinyl I can find instead of the specified stuff!
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:46 am

Gwaredd Steele wrote:They don't want to pay that's the trouble.

Yeah, it's funny how they always seem to be prepared to pay big bucks for a fancy marketing agency to come up with these specifications, and then choke on their coffee when they find out the implications. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen these folks specify a ten year vinyl on a three year lease van. Stupid.

In a case like this I would do what you are doing - find an equivalent. I would then send them a sample and get their approval in writing for the substitution.

I would forget the Pantone and RAL codes. Firstly, the two codes for each colour are contradictory and don't even match each other and, secondly, it will be better to try and match a vinyl to a vinyl.

I think that 3M 220 series is cheaper than the 100. My 100 series swatch give the equivalent in 220 series, so that would be my first port of call

100-14 = 220-14
100-724 = 220-197

Failing that I would again ignore the Pantone and RAL and match the 100 series swatch to an alternative. I would suggest:-

100-14 = Avery 722 Light Orange
100-724 = Avery789 Ink Blue.

Again, get it in writing because although those colours are a good match to their 3M spec, they are slightly different to the PMS and RAL ones. Just make sure that they know what they are getting up front, and are happy with it.

Hope that helps.
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:12 am

Thanks John, that is very kind of you to go to that detail. I ordered some 3M swatches yesterday & exclusively use Avery, so will take your recommendations on board.

Cheers,

Gwaredd.

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