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Post Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:36 pm

frosted window prices

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i have to price up a shop window,the glass is smashed & will be replaced,so it would be like for like size approx 96in x 28in in frosted + a little bit of writing on the top.I just wondered what some of you would charge for this,just a ball pond figure i thought about £160.00.price is for vinyl only not the glass.


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Post Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:42 pm

I'd say you were round about the right price. Using my pricing I would charge £135. So not a lot of difference and after saying that my prices are due to go up in April so add a little more on.

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Post Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:01 am

Do you know what frost it is? This can vary from £1.50 to £27.50 per metre if you have to match with another window.. Just be cautious
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Post Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:58 pm

Thanks for the comments it is a run of the mill frost i matched it with a.p.a film.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:16 pm

Wow do you really get that much for flood coating only 1.7 sq m?

My price guide makes the flood coat at only £37 in plain frost with the frost only costing £6.

In a high quality dusted etch the etch may cost around £15 so would up the price to around £50.

I window tint onto glass all the time and a polyester window tint which costs far more than vinyl would only work out at £90.

Never found my prices so much out of line on other projects.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:06 pm

You'd charge £37 for a job like that??? Including time & fuel to travel & measure it & match it up, time to order it in, then time & fuel to actually do the job all whilst making a profit of £31.00?

Mate, you need a minimum charge!

TBH, even if that was a local job round the corner & I had the material in stock, I'd be looking at £90.00 minimum.

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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:11 pm

Have to say, i can't understand how you could possibly survive making £31 out of that job. With all the sorting out, plus travel and fitting time that's half a days work for £31. Deduct your masking tape, cleaning product, fuel, knife blades and a sandwich to keep you going and you'd be better off with paper round mate!

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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:15 pm

Fuel and travel time obviously extra but to flood coat such an area would only take about 20 mins. so £31 ia actually £90/hour.

Always intetrested to see what others charge and as I said usually I reckon I dont differ much.

£30 a sq m is a standard price in the window tint industry and vinyl is easier and cheaper.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:17 pm

Liam Pattison wrote:Have to say, i can't understand how you could possibly survive making £31 out of that job. With all the sorting out, plus travel and fitting time that's half a days work for £31. Deduct your masking tape, cleaning product, fuel, knife blades and a sandwich to keep you going and you'd be better off with paper round mate!

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All i can say is thats very slow working.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:28 pm

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Liam Pattison wrote:Have to say, i can't understand how you could possibly survive making £31 out of that job. With all the sorting out, plus travel and fitting time that's half a days work for £31. Deduct your masking tape, cleaning product, fuel, knife blades and a sandwich to keep you going and you'd be better off with paper round mate!

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All i can say is thats very slow working.


I think your kidding yourself mate, you're going to have to go and measure up in the first place, then go back to do the actual job. Add these two together and you've easily taken a morning.

You must be very busy?!!?

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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:45 pm

i recently did one for a regular (insurance), 5 min drive away.

gold etch 2400 long x 500mm wide, design cut into it, go to job and measure (25 min round trip), order film in, artwork/cut/weed/mask 1.5hrs, drive to job, window prepped (cleaned, scraped, final wipe... ten mins), measure and fix in place with tape, hinge and apply, remove app paper, clean up, drive home, about an hour,

total time... 3hr 5 mins, that was £75 in labour and £110 for the decal, was £60 cheaper then local competition (so i later found). I ate that day!


seriously Stuart, I understand that window tinting is your thing but even you have to make money, don't undervalue yourself or the job dude!

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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:22 pm

Stuart Miller wrote:Fuel and travel time obviously extra but to flood coat such an area would only take about 20 mins. so £31 ia actually £90/hour.

Always intetrested to see what others charge and as I said usually I reckon I dont differ much.

£30 a sq m is a standard price in the window tint industry and vinyl is easier and cheaper.

So can I get you to do my car on that basis?
why do you think vinyl is easier to apply?
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:52 pm

As I have said on most price comparisons I am usually very close to what most post here and I know as far as tinting goes I am more expensive than most quotes.

I believe Tinting is more awkward to get a good finish as the cleaning process is usually more thorough so as to reduce the risk on contamination which is easily noticed when you apply clear films to glass.
Tint is far less forgiving and more easily damaged than vinyl.
On the other hand it does not need application tape (so a reduction in overheads there).
Flat glass tinting is quick and easy with the cleaning process taking the most time.
Vehicle tinting on the other hand can be quite complex but still a tint on say a Range Rover would be around £350 taking about 4/5 hours.

I am just learning with signs and am willing to take any advice on pricing on board.
The things in signs seems to be mainly pricing, design, materials, construction, weeding, installation and I do not think all of this is easier than tinting.
However my original remark was about what I saw as a straight forward flood coating of a glass pane which can be very easily compared to tinting and could even be done without application paper.

I am feeling my way on pricing and at the start used a "Price It Guide" which is supposed to give average prices from around the sign industry.
In this guide the price advised for flood coating 1.7 sq m is £37.11.
Maybe this is way out of date and that is not necessarily what I would charge by the time survey, travel materials purchase is also taken into account.

Any way please dont think I am selling myself short as this is the first time I have been so way out and I am grateful to you all suggesting I should charge more.
still think £160 to flood coat a flat piece of glass is over the top.
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Post Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:09 pm

Stuart
The price it guide refers to flood coating in house, not at the customers premises.
You have said that time and mileage are also a factor, so if you add that on you are already in the same ball park as the other quotes, are you not?

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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:27 am

I have a good bit of frosting on windows here for 2 different companies, one is a glazing company and the other is a construction company. The price is job specific, meaning the area has to make up for the mileage, but in general its €52.50+vat.
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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:24 am

Dermot Howard wrote:I have a good bit of frosting on windows here for 2 different companies, one is a glazing company and the other is a construction company. The price is job specific, meaning the area has to make up for the mileage, but in general its €52.50+vat.


surely at that price they're bringing you the glass rather than you going out on site?
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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:07 pm

[quote="Stuart Miller"]As I have said on most price comparisons I am usually very close to what most post here and I know as far as tinting goes I am more expensive than most quotes.

I believe Tinting is more awkward to get a good finish as the cleaning process is usually more thorough so as to reduce the risk on contamination which is easily noticed when you apply clear films to glass.
Tint is far less forgiving and more easily damaged than vinyl.
On the other hand it does not need application tape (so a reduction in overheads there).
Flat glass tinting is quick and easy with the cleaning process taking the most time.
Vehicle tinting on the other hand can be quite complex but still a tint on say a Range Rover would be around £350 taking about 4/5 hours.

I feel the opposite applies, the cleaning process is exactly the same, blade the glass and squeegee, maybe scrub the glass and squeegee again and wipe down the edges, flush spray then apply.

With vinyl I personally think its more awkward to remove the paper backing, especially on larger pieces of material than the liner from the window film, which can be reverse rolled if necessary making most jobs easier for 1 man, whereas some bigger vinyl jobs I feel are better 2 man and also you are more likely to see contamination under a solid colour when flood coated over a large area of glass.

Just my opinion as I mainly install window film but do a bit of vinyl work.

Also, you are doing well nowadays to get that kind of money for a r/rover.

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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:28 pm

Interesting ideas cropping up now.
In my first post I dont think I ever said I would actually go out and install a 1.7 sq m window in frost for only £37, but that the sign price guide indicated that was an average price for flood coating that area.
Many have pointed out, and I have agreed, that there is more involved than a basic flood coat price but it has stimulated some varying opinions which make up the basis of our every day pricing structure.

Bob I agree that sometimes the paper backing can be more awkward than reverse rolling film, but only get one shot with film whereas vinyl you can (if need be, although it shouldn't) pull and relay.
Contamination can still be seen in a large sheet of flood coat so yes is an issue on both but usually find Film customers more picky.

Be good to hear your views on sq m pricing for film and vinyl frost as someone who is, I think, in a similar cross over business as myself.

Again in my original post I said £90 was around what I would charge for this window in Film, and this is near what people now seem to say for vinyl also. (Amount of lettering, mileage, etc extra)
My actual vinyl price would probably be the same as my film price as i have always thought the sign price guide seemed low compared to my tint prices.
So some may feel I am back tracking but my original point was that I felt £160 as was first mentioned appeared on the high side.
Not that people shouldn't charge that as I'm all for getting what you can or feel you want in this business. Everyones circumstances are different of course
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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:36 pm

Bob Scullion wrote:
Also, you are doing well nowadays to get that kind of money for a r/rover.

Bob


Have you dropped your tint prices recently?
Range Rover £350 for full tint or HP film. More often from B pillar in standard Film £305. (quoted that to a guy the other day who said out of 5 quotes that was the best he'd had !!?)
I do find that local competition will tint for £30/window with cheap film. I probably do less cars now as I'm not willing to drop to that level or use bad film and concentrate on flat glass which is more lucrative.
Funnily enough its the little 3 window cars which have dropped off and I still get the top end such as 4x4 and MPVs

Apologies for digressing here from the frost thread.
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Post Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:29 pm

Stuart Miller wrote:
Bob Scullion wrote:
Also, you are doing well nowadays to get that kind of money for a r/rover.

Bob


Have you dropped your tint prices recently?
Range Rover £350 for full tint or HP film. More often from B pillar in standard Film £305. (quoted that to a guy the other day who said out of 5 quotes that was the best he'd had !!?)
I do find that local competition will tint for £30/window with cheap film. I probably do less cars now as I'm not willing to drop to that level or use bad film and concentrate on flat glass which is more lucrative.
Funnily enough its the little 3 window cars which have dropped off and I still get the top end such as 4x4 and MPVs

Apologies for digressing here from the frost thread.


To be honest, Yes, prices have dropped, much as I,d love to stick to my guns and have the take it or leave it attitude, it doesn't quite work like that here in Glasgow.

14 companies (of varying ability) within a 25 mile radius, I'm fortunate that I have been on the go longer than the rest (with the exception of Pentagon) and have a good reputation.

Like most on here have said in previous threads, Quality does come through in the end but not everyone has the time or even the brains to hold on until the hacks have gone.

But if we are brutally honest, you and I know that to do a 3 door car at £165 in 2 hours or less by the time you take off the cost of the material I'm not going to starve.

For £350 I could drive down to Cumbria, 2hrs, tint the vehicle, 3-4hrs and drive home, 2hrs and still clear £250. I could cope with £250 per day if I had to.

Might be worthwile opening up down your neck of the woods Stuart.

Regarding cost per Squ Mtr, usually starts at £25 for flat glass, R-Silver 20 but would increase if moving onto better material, Hanita Optitune Dual Reflective for example. This figure could increase or decrease dependant upon total area of glass, ie 50 sq mtr good size windows not far to travel, no tower required etc etc. Jobs are priced at what I think they are worth, its like asking these guys "how much to letter a transit"
so many different things to take into account.

Bob

Apologies again for going off thread.
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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:00 pm

Hi Stuart

Just jumping in here having read this thread, I think as has been eluded to already that you are miss interpreting the price it guide.

I think if you price a sign at "x" then you can use the flood coat guide price "y" for when the client requires a different colour background on that sign hence overall price for the sign is "x" + "y"

I dont think you can use the flood coat guide as any indication of a stand alone job price .

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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:03 pm

Hugh.
That price is for on site work, there is usually 25+ meters involved. I thought that was a good rate to be honest.
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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:00 pm

It might be off topic, but I'd like to thank the tinting guys for the insight.

Anybody that comes in here wanting window tinting gets told to go see a specialist. :D
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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:32 pm

Dermot Howard wrote:Hugh.
That price is for on site work, there is usually 25+ meters involved. I thought that was a good rate to be honest.


so was that e52 a sq mtr rate or the job rate? would seem cheap to me for a job but, reasonable as a sq mtr rate (for on site)
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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:45 pm

p/m on site, I had to knock €5 p/m off to get the contract. They just call me and tell me where the site and I arrive with a roll of frost and my bits....
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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:55 pm

Dermot Howard wrote:p/m on site, I had to knock €5 p/m off to get the contract. They just call me and tell me where the site and I arrive with a roll of frost and my bits....


that sounds fair enough if you've got a good few mtrs to apply.

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Post Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:00 pm

Hugh Potter wrote:
Dermot Howard wrote:p/m on site, I had to knock €5 p/m off to get the contract. They just call me and tell me where the site and I arrive with a roll of frost and my bits....


that sounds fair enough if you've got a good few mtrs to apply.

Hugh


Usually there is a good bit although the last job I did was 0.7 of a mtr, but got paid for half a day. They are very fair to me but me to them also, i did that window at 6am

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