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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:25 pm

The Haggis is English

It's quite embarrassing really. we invented, and named it, but hoped the Scott's would keep it to themselves.

(I do like it though with neaps)

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:38 pm

Yeah I read an article about that in the paper today..

..but you should know better than to believe everything you read in the papers :lol1:

But guess who invented the following:-
Television; telephones; penicillin; antiseptics; lawnmowers; microwave ovens; marmalade; computer games; golf....etc. etc
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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:45 pm

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I heard it on my local radio. and it was a lady Scottish historian that revealed the discovery,

Stuffing Offal into a stomach sack, is pretty universal, in many countries, and has been going on for centuries, just that the English called it Haggis,
but gave it up for roast beef as our nation dish.

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:46 pm

Peter Normington wrote:Phill
I heard it on my local radio. and it was a lady Scottish historian that revealed the discovery,


She was just trying to wash our hands of it :-?
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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:57 pm

You have Haggis, we have Scrapple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple
And it tastes like Haggis.
James Kelly made me try some last time I was in Scotland.
It's not too bad (it's about four bad)
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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:04 pm

Haggis is usually Sheep offal., Scrapple looks more interesting though, mainly pig, but includes the head.

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:21 pm

Re: The Haggis is English

Peter Normington wrote:The Haggis is English

It's quite embarrassing really. we invented, and named it, but hoped the Scott's would keep it to themselves.

(I do like it though with neaps)

Peter




Please... by all means, take the disgusting creation back! :lol1: :wink:
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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:26 pm

Come to think of it ....are you sure the Scots didn't claim ownership simply as a kindness to save the English from embarrassment? :poke:
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Post Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:13 pm

That's funny I heard this many moons ago though I heard it came to England via Greece then to Scotland.

Bagpipes are apparently Indian,

...........and Whiskey was invented to stop the Scots ruling the world!
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:08 pm

Phill wrote:Yeah I read an article about that in the paper today..

..but you should know better than to believe everything you read in the papers :lol1:

But guess who invented the following:-
Television; telephones; penicillin; antiseptics; lawnmowers; microwave ovens; marmalade; computer games; golf....etc. etc


television?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_i ... television

i always thought it was yogi beard but, i do believe he carried out all his work in sussex, not far from me in hastings or bexhill-on-sea.

marmalade..
romans and greeks to thank for that!

computer games..
come on! ya needed electrickery to make them! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_games

Golf?
ok, the modern game perhaps but, most likely developed from 'paganica', a roman game spread by the empire when the scots were more barbarian than now!

lawn mowers?
invented by edwin budding, stroud, gloustershire in 1827

microwave oven?
Percy Spencer, an american, patented in 1945, we all know scotland had no electricity back then!

telephone?
He was scottish but, moved to london at the age of 18.

penicilin,
fleming moved to london in 1901 ages 20,

antiseptics,
Lister? he was english and worked for a time in scotland! he was not the first though, a docu i saw the other evening about the invention of antiseptics and aneasthetics showed this. i forget the guys name who first proved that washing hands etc prevented many deaths in hospitals but, lister was many years behind in his advocation of this, he was also very wrong on some of his assumptions, continuing to cause death to many by over-use / mis-use of chloroform as an aneasthetic which was developed by james young simpson, a Scot!


hmmm!


thank goodness for wikipedia! i'd not have remembered many details without it's help!
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:21 pm

Don't believe everything you read in Wikipedia Hugh Image

PS - Yogi Beard? - Wasn't he born in Jellystone Park? :lol1: :lol1:
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:25 pm

don't know if he was born there Phill but he used live there with that other bear who's name escapes me :roll:

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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:26 pm

That'll be Boo Boo :lol1:
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:28 pm

that doesn't ring a bell must be something else :roll:

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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:28 pm

Hugh Potter wrote:i forget the guys name who first proved that washing hands etc prevented many deaths in hospitals

Ignaz Semmelweis - an Austro-Hungarian.
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:29 pm

ok :roll:
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:38 pm

What Wikipedia failed to mention was that Ignaz Semmelweis's , Percy Spencer's and Edwin Budding's grandparents (on their mothers side) were all Scottish. Image
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:41 pm

Phill wrote:Don't believe everything you read in Wikipedia Hugh Image

PS - Yogi Beard? - Wasn't he born in Jellystone Park? :lol1: :lol1:


that's him!

John Childs wrote:
Hugh Potter wrote:i forget the guys name who first proved that washing hands etc prevented many deaths in hospitals

Ignaz Semmelweis - an Austro-Hungarian.


I think that's him John, did you see the docu? i've a feeling he was working in a Viannese hospitals maternity dept when he discovered the link between lack of steralisation and spreading infection, the midwife run wards had a far lower occurrence of the common condition which killed many mothers than the doctor run ward, only when his fellow surgeon nicked his finger during surgery and died three days later did he realise the link, unfortunately, after annoying a lot of people with his methods of cleanliness, he was put in an assylum without ever knowing the exact reason for the links he discovered, i think that was a frenchman who discovered what caused it, ie bacteria.

discovery channels are my nemesis, i can sit for hours and hours watching stuff like that, tell the mrs i'll be up to bed when i've finished my tea and four hours later i'm still sat there!

Phill wrote:What Wikipedia failed to mention was that Ignaz Semmelweis's , Percy Spencer's and Edwin Budding's grandparents (on their mothers side) were all Scottish. Image


of course they were! :roll: :roll:

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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:42 pm

so. who invented Kippers?

far more tasty than Haggis?

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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:44 pm

Peter Normington wrote:so. who invented Kippers?

far more tasty than Haggis?

Peter


probably the vikings, Danes, Swedish, Norwegians who's grandparents were Scots!
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:50 pm

crumpets?
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:04 pm

Peter Normington wrote:crumpets?


Syd James, no doubt with Scots lineage thrown in somewhere!
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:05 pm

Hugh Potter wrote:I think that's him John, did you see the docu?

No, didn't see that.

I listened to a dramatisation on Radio 4 one wet afternoon. Sometime about July 1971, as I recall. *rofl*
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Post Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:09 pm

LOL John! i was but a single cell back then!
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Post Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:49 am

Peter Normington wrote:Phill

but gave it up for roast beef as our nation dish.

Peter


Thought it was the Balti now anyway. You English are so fickle.... :lol1: :lol1:
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Post Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:43 pm

I visited Scotland at the weekend and tried Haggis for the 1st time...and it was surprisingly very very nice!! I thought it was very similar to the faggots my mom makes, just a bit more spicy. :P
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Post Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:29 pm

Kate - Grafityp wrote:I visited Scotland at the weekend and tried Haggis for the 1st time...and it was surprisingly very very nice!! I thought it was very similar to the faggots my mom makes, just a bit more spicy. :P


oh really! and you never thought to call some scottish sign friends and arrange to buy them all a drink or ten at a local bar??? :shake:


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Post Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:35 pm

Scotland is a very large place! I was in Dumfries for a wedding, went on Friday morning, got drunk in 'Robert The Bruce' Wetherspoons on an all day naughty session, and the the wedding on the Saturday, recovering on the Sunday! traveled all that way and saw bugger all!!!!!!! :o
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Post Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:48 pm

Kate - Grafityp wrote:recovering on the Sunday! traveled all that way and saw bugger all!!!!!!! :o


:lol1: :lol1: take it you had a blinding time then kate :lol1: :lol1: its alright you'll get used to them.....next time just drink more :D
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Post Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:21 pm

:lol1: :lol1: No probs... your off the hook... "this time" :lol1:
thought you may have meant Glasgow, that's the best place in Scotland to visit and have a night out! :lol1:


im sure other scots may say different. :wink:
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Post Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:01 pm

I've heared Ardrishaig is quite a 'happening' place.

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