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Post Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:44 pm

Applying Application Tape To Cut Vinyl For Wall Stickers

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I am looking for for hits and tips to apply application tape to cut vinyl for wall stickers.

Whilst I manage fairly ok when using 610mm width vinyl I do often struggle with larger wall stickers that are 1220mm wide and 1.5m+ in length. I struggle with bubbles and creasing of the vinyl so the end result does not look good at all.

I know that there are some great application tape machines out there but they are a little too expensive for me at this stage. Has anyone used / is using on of the manual application machines

Are they worth the money? Do they work well?

I have also just seen this picture in this forum where one guy is pulling the cut vinyl through the rollers to apply the application tape - is anyone else using this method and would you recommend.

Finally, should wall stickers be rolled up with graphics facing out or inwards for postage in postage tubes?

I am fairly new to all this so would very much appreciated any help, advise or tips on the above.

Thank you.

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Post Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:51 pm

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one of these will do the trick very well. cost about £70 from memory.
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Post Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:57 pm

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Thank you Rob. I have one of those but still struggle with the larger wall stickers. Maybe I am using it wrongly. Christian
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:01 am

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That patisserie one for example I'd have personally done the two words separate, far easier to handle
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:52 am

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Thank you David, I would have made in two sections as well. However I thought the method being used by this guy is interesting- anyone else using this method?
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:18 am

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By the looks of it, the Patisserie one has been trimmed off out before taping up? Although it could just be the colour of the vinyl.

We always tape first, then trim the graphics to the weed boarder, you can usually just run a knife round the weed border without the use of straight edge, nice and quick. The weight of the vinyl helps keep it flat too.

Trimming to the weed border also helps with installation too, as everything is nice and square, and you can measure to the edge of the backing if the graphic or text doesn't have a straight edge.

Also handy if you split long text, perhaps split a 2m line, into two lines across a 1220 roll, you can just butt up the two pieces and know the spacing between them is correct.

Long runs we run through our laminator, works OK but don't apply too much pressure to the rollers.
Smaller bits, we stick the tape over the edge of the bench, then pull if off the roll, keeping it nice and taught, at about 30degree angle so it doesn't contact the graphic, then apply from the centre out.
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:18 am

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By the looks of it, the Patisserie one has been trimmed off out before taping up? Although it could just be the colour of the vinyl.

We always tape first, then trim the graphics to the weed boarder, you can usually just run a knife round the weed border without the use of straight edge, nice and quick. The weight of the vinyl helps keep it flat too.

Trimming to the weed border also helps with installation too, as everything is nice and square, and you can measure to the edge of the backing if the graphic or text doesn't have a straight edge.

Also handy if you split long text, perhaps split a 2m line, into two lines across a 1220 roll, you can just butt up the two pieces and know the spacing between them is correct.

Long runs we run through our laminator, works OK but don't apply too much pressure to the rollers.
Smaller bits, we stick the tape over the edge of the bench, then pull if off the roll, keeping it nice and taught, at about 30degree angle so it doesn't contact the graphic, then apply from the centre out.
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:26 am

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we use the same 650wide machine as Rob posted, I have also used the 1200+ version in the past and it's fine. I must buy one for here as I'm taping more larger graphics.

The trick with thos dispensers is to pull the app paper all the way over and past your graphic, then kind of float it down onto the decal, if you do it at one end and work back it can lay the tape tight and cause wrinkling when rolled or even stored flat, just drop it in the middle and lay it onto the graphic before squeegying down.

With practice you'll almost be laying it at the foot of the dispenser and laying it along the length of the graphic. I find that by pulling it all the way out over and just giving it a couple of seconds befor lowering it onto the graphic, any stretch from pulling ot off of the roll is minimal, the paper has time to replax again.

for long or multiple graphics at 1220 wide I'll mount the app paper on the laminator and run it through on that!
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:57 am

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it also helps if you speed clamp it to the bench. Has to be one of the best and useful bits of kit you can buy, had mine for 14 years now
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:05 pm

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Hugh Potter wrote:we use the same 650wide machine as Rob posted, I have also used the 1200+ version in the past and it's fine. I must buy one for here as I'm taping more larger graphics.

The trick with thos dispensers is to pull the app paper all the way over and past your graphic, then kind of float it down onto the decal, if you do it at one end and work back it can lay the tape tight and cause wrinkling when rolled or even stored flat, just drop it in the middle and lay it onto the graphic before squeegying down.

With practice you'll almost be laying it at the foot of the dispenser and laying it along the length of the graphic. I find that by pulling it all the way out over and just giving it a couple of seconds befor lowering it onto the graphic, any stretch from pulling ot off of the roll is minimal, the paper has time to replax again.

for long or multiple graphics at 1220 wide I'll mount the app paper on the laminator and run it through on that!


heres one of our benches same technique as above if only one operative a steel rule to pull the tape over the vinyl works
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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:15 pm

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Thank you for your replies, most appreciated.

Derek, When using 1220 tape by yourself and you say that you use a steel rule what do you mean?

Are any of you guys using or have used one of these manual applicator machines? Are they any good?
http://www.signmakingtools.co.uk/30322/ ... p=18&pno=0

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Post Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:07 pm

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Chris Windebank wrote:it also helps if you speed clamp it to the bench. Has to be one of the best and useful bits of kit you can buy, had mine for 14 years now



Hi Chris,Thank you for your reply.
What does a speed clamp look like?
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Post Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:11 am

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This is a speed clamp or quick release clamp :lol:

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Looks like the one Derek has pictured is home made, I made one for myself as well which is fixed to the end of the workbench, mine ended up being a bit more elaborate than the ones you can buy though :lol: :lol:
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Post Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:41 am

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Brilliant thank you.
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:23 am

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Christian Davies wrote:Derek, When using 1220 tape by yourself and you say that you use a steel rule what do you mean?


Christian.


Christian,
It's a trick I learned many years ago when working alone and needing to handle app paper / tape, you use a rigid ruler or straight edge and stick it to the leading edge of the tape, thus is supports the tape across it's width and makes applying easier one handed, less sagging of tape.

these days using the dispenser, I don't use that trick often but it can be handy flood coating large panels too!
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:39 pm

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This is something I used to have a lot of issues with. Especially after I started making larger stickers using 1220mm vinyl. After working with a friend for several years, I got into the habit of using clear application tape as opposed to paper. I thought about changing over, but there is very little difference in the price and it's something I guess I'm just used to now.

I have both the 730mm and the 1349mm bench rollers that Rob showed a photo of, but the problems I encountered, especially with larger applications, was the static. When I pulled out a large length of app tape, as I started to lay one end down, it was a fairly regular issue that the job would pick up from the bench and stick onto the tape, nearly always resulting in wasted vinyl and tape. I used to stick the sides down to stop this, but this seemed to take up too much time. Not too sure if this is a problem with the paper tape.

Anyway, after hours of trawling through the internet, I came across a video of a couple in America using a 'big squeegee'. I looked into buying one/some, but the only distributors I could find in the UK said they were out of stock and weren't planning to get any more in the near future. I then looked at prices from the manufacturers (based in Canada I think) and the cost of the items and the shipping price especially put me off.

Then I realised I could make my own. I used some left over laminate flooring I had. I bought a roll of 2" wide self-adhesive velcro loops and ran them all the way down one edge. I then also applied a little to the back where I held them to stop cuts.
Now, I can tape a large sticker (120cm x 2m) in about 1 minute. I also use it for 610mm and 760mm

I just started to type on how to apply the tape, but it got too long. So I made a botch video instead. Sorry if the quality is crap, but I think it should give you an idea of what I mean.

Watch on youtube.com


Also, I don't remember seeing an answer to your question, but I always roll my graphics with the app tape outside (paper in the middle).

I would also suggest that you invest in different widths of app tape/paper for different size jobs. MDP Supplies can supply various widths smaller than 610mm. Comes in handy for all of those small items.

Hope this helps.
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:55 pm

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Looks great Peter and great video. What's the longest you've done with this method at 1220?
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:08 pm

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The longest single application I've made using this method was 1220mm wide by 2.4m long. And that was only because that was as long as my bench was.

Apart from the bench being absolutely flat and level, the next most important thing is to make sure that the roll of tape is set to run parallel with the bench so it doesn't run off the side of the job and miss bits
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Post Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:34 pm

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Before I made my tape dispenser I used a method the same as yours Peter, only difference is that I didn't use a squeegee to push the roll of tape along. You can do it using another roll of either application tape or vinyl at the same width or larger,
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Post Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:58 pm

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Thank you all for your feedback, most appreciated.
Thank you Peter for the video, this has really helped.
I will be off to Floors To Go at the weekend to buy some vinyl flooring!
Thank you again.
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Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:02 am

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Any of you guys know how to use one of these? Some pictures or video to show how to load and use 1220mm application tape would be most appreciated.

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