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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:15 pm

Why do i bother? apprentice not turned up

My apprentice didn't show up for work today. He's already on his final warning for lateness. No call, text, nothing.
Why are kids these days so blooming lazy. He's just lost a job and will probably join the masses who lie in bed all day playing xbox and get dole money for the pleasure. :evil: :evil:
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:35 pm

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Sorry to hear this Ewan. Has he been working for you long ?
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:15 pm

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Since October, In that time he's been late 6 times now. Really annoying as i had him trained up so he could take a design, cut, weed, tape and fit all the vinyl himself which as you can imagine took a big workload off me
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:35 pm

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dont loose heart, not all young people are like that.
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:43 pm

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Yes there are some decent kids out there, only this morning I was taken aback when I was entering my local paper shop and a young boy of about 12 stood back and indicated I should go in front of him as we both went to enter the shop (And I thought chivalry was dead). He probably thought I was a pensioner :awkward:
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:44 pm

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Very annoying, but all part of employing staff. It's a learning curve in itself, and you need to be firm, give an Inch, they'll take a mile. Our apprentice was downloading stock images, and sending them to her friend at another company. :bangshead:

I've a friend who had an apprentice who turned up late on their first day. Her words were "sorry it won't happen again", the reply was "no it won't, get your coat back on, and don't come back". Some would argue a little harsh, but replaced with someone who's still with them.
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:59 pm

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Thanks jean, totally understand what you say about young folk. This was my first ever employee so yeah a bit disheartening . Never mind, onwards and upwards
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:15 pm

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If you are serious about taking on an apprentice Ewan then I wouldn't let one bad experience put you off, having said that you should be aware that it doesn't seem to be easy to find someone that is suitable from my conversations with my customers who have been down a similar road.
Same goes for employing trained staff from what Mr Lambie has said in other posts if I remember correctly :lol: :lol:
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:04 pm

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Yeah i will try again. The extra pair of hands is handy if nothing else. He finally phoned at 2pm to say he wasn't coming in. Don't think we'll be speaking again :)
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:01 pm

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It was a Monday - and he's probably been out all weekend, so probably didn't wake up until 2pm otherwise would have phoned in sick earlier :awkward:
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:30 pm

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And the fact i phoned his house twice this morning with no answer :sleep: :sleep:
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:37 pm

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Give him another chance! make the offer and see if hes keen, final written warning, as you said he can do the basics,

i know i was a lazy ( oh i swore ) when i was an apprentice spray painter, could work more than the best of them nowadays,

probably out blazing all weekend with his mates, and has the fear today!

the man who never made a mistake, never made anything.
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:03 pm

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I'd let him go.

6 lates ( 1 per month) :shake:
No phone call :shake:
No explanation :shake: (even the truth, I was pi$$ed and over slept)

What is Ewan had an install booked today, and he didn't rock up, Ewan has to let his customer down.

The verbal & written warnings clearly weren't taken seriously, and they're showing no respect for Ewan & his business.

In my opinion it will not 'get better'. Sack them off, and find someone who genuinely want's to be there.
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Post Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:30 pm

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He's had too many chances I'm afraid. Too many times of "it won't happen again"
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:29 am

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Watch yourself with employment law.
Probationary periods, written warnings issued and accepted etc.

Probably a formality to dismiss. But watch out for the "i know my rights!" types and letters from 'advice centres' who were given only half of the story...
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:41 am

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Yeah went through all that properly, I have a signed final warning from him accepting that further lateness/absence without notification would result in dismissal
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:39 am

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DavidRogers wrote:Watch yourself with employment law.
Probationary periods, written warnings issued and accepted etc.

Probably a formality to dismiss. But watch out for the "i know my rights!" types and letters from 'advice centres' who were given only half of the story...


No need in the first two years, a few things have changed.

In the first 2 years, you can let them go without giving any reason 'it's not working out' would suffice. Provided the reason isn't an 'ism' (sexism, racism, etc) you're free to get rid.

Also the employee now has to pay the tribunal costs, which was an effort to reduce stress on the system, it's worked by reducing the number of have a go claims.

Always worth double checking but that was the advice from our solicitor. :thumbsup:
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:46 am

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A mixture of sentiments there Ewan but I tend to agree with the majority, if he has had fair warnings etc then to continue could not only be damaging to your daily business but also it could be keeping a decent young person out of a perspective job and career.
A graphics company local to me had an apprentice that had served their time and is still with them 6 yrs on, but they actually started out as a work experience from the local high school. They showed good interest and were punctual, so the boss advised the school and the lad that they would be willing to offer him a position if he chose to follow that path.
Perhaps you might consider that route, contact local schools/colleges and see what happens.
Try before you buy so to speak - good luck
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:03 am

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Already on it Ian, we have a scheme up here called workingrite. It's a charity actually and they match young unemployed people with prospective employers based on their interests. They then come on a 16 week placement, part funded by the charity. At the end the hope is that they will be offered a job or apprenticeship at the end, though there is no obligation on the employers part. That's where I got this Lad from. The charity were actually surprised that I offered him a place given his poor timekeeping but I wanted to give the Lad a chance. Unfortunately he blew it but they are already on the hunt for someone else. And yes they contact local schools, etc to see if there is anyone that fits the bill that is getting ready to leave school.
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:49 pm

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David Hammond wrote:
DavidRogers wrote:Watch yourself with employment law.
Probationary periods, written warnings issued and accepted etc.

Probably a formality to dismiss. But watch out for the "i know my rights!" types and letters from 'advice centres' who were given only half of the story...


No need in the first two years, a few things have changed.

In the first 2 years, you can let them go without giving any reason 'it's not working out' would suffice. Provided the reason isn't an 'ism' (sexism, racism, etc) you're free to get rid.

Also the employee now has to pay the tribunal costs, which was an effort to reduce stress on the system, it's worked by reducing the number of have a go claims.

Always worth double checking but that was the advice from our solicitor. :thumbsup:


I think your solicitor is stretching it a bit! It (the "see ya!" for no specific reason other than "it's not working out") applies only to a probationary period that should be agreed upon in their contract of employment. 6mth, 12mth as nobody could pass off up to 2 years of employment as 'probationary' otherwise a vast number of the UK workforce lives under constant threat of almost instant job loss. A minimum of 1 week notice is normally required unless they are being sacked / dismissed for gross misconduct (fraud, theft, violence, drug)...even then, notice may still be required and certainly 'due process' or regardless of time in employment it can be regarded as a breach of contract...and big payouts follow.

I've seen the results of people being sacked without due process...a £10-£15k mistake he'll never make again.

On the upside, an employee can't call 'unfair dismissal' unless they've been employed for more than 2 years.

ACAS has some good advice online.

Dave

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