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David Hammond

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Post Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:12 pm

Stand off letters to stone wall advice

We've a customer wanting some stand off flat cut letters to go onto a natural stone wall, that bends gently round the drive.

The normal stand off locators won't suffice as they wall isn't smooth like a brick wall.

I am thinking of having them made from steel, and have 6inch threaded bar welded to the back, create a template with 3mm foam PVC, and drill over sized holes for the rods to fit into, that we can fill with a resin, this will allow for the uneven surface and the curve of the wall.

Anyone else come across this, or got another suggestion?
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Post Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:38 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

I have done it in pretty much the way you described David, have done both metal & acrylic letters, Aluminium letters had pins silver soldered to the back & on the acrylic ones I bonded Big Head fasteners to the back with Penloc.

Used a paper template taped to a sheet of hardboard but foamex might be better depending on how tight your curve is.
Just used a chemical fixing to cement the pins into the wall. Think that came from Eurobond the same as the Penloc but not 100% sure about that :lol: :lol:
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Post Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:57 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

Done it the same way too. The only issues come when you can't see where a hole will go and its right on and edge, a very high spot or lost in a recess. Be prepared to not get every one the way you want.

As a tip - bending the rods VERY slightly to come in or splay out will help them hold in position whilst the adhesive sets by grabbing the sides of the holes.
i normally use evo-stick serious stuff.

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Post Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:10 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

I done almost exactly the same as Martin describes, stainless with M5 studding silver soldered to the reverse, and letters I made myself with Bigheads bonded with Penlock adhesive and M5 studding. I nearly always used 3mm foam PVC sheet as a template.
Probably the biggest difficulties to overcome are the positions of the studs - I always seemed to get a couple holes that needed to be right down the edge of a brick or stone and the other was holding the template on the wall securely for long enough to mark the holes.
I had one job with stainless letters on a curved interior wall where I got my local sheet metal fabricators to roll the letters to match the curve on the wall. It took a lot of work getting the measurements correct and the fitting was tricky but the finished job looked very nice.
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Post Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:45 pm

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

I would personally be careful about slightly bending the studs on stainless letters, it's best to put the studs in as straight as possible as you don't want the fixings to be under tension. Bend them too far and there is a good chance the fixings couldl fail at some point. I have lost count the number of repair jobs over the years I have done through fixings failing
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Post Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:52 am

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Vince, we rolled the letters and that was done before any Bigheads were bonded. The tricky part was drilling accurate holes, on that job the wall had been finished with a very expensive decorative plaster finish so no extra holes :smiles:
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Post Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:53 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

Hi Steve, I was referring to the post above yours. Thankfully I don't have the headache of fixing :-)
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Post Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:56 pm

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

Vince Francis wrote:Hi Steve, I was referring to the post above yours. Thankfully I don't have the headache of fixing :-)


Your missing out on all the fun Vince :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:15 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

Thanks guys, I knew it could be done, just need to go and do yet another site survey to check the sizes, as I think the letters may be too small.
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Post Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:08 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

The customer is looking for 40mm tall letters to stand off the wall, which I think will be too small, as there's less margin for error, and will likely only get 2 studs on each letter.

I'm thinking perhaps having a rail maid with flat cut letters welded to those?
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Post Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:31 pm

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

David Hammond wrote:The customer is looking for 40mm tall letters to stand off the wall, which I think will be too small, as there's less margin for error, and will likely only get 2 studs on each letter.

I'm thinking perhaps having a rail maid with flat cut letters welded to those?


In my experience a company like Trade Letters will not cut letters smaller than 50mm and the narrowest stroke width of 5mm.
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Post Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:08 am

Re: Stand off letters to stone wall advice

In my experience a company like Trade Letters will not cut letters smaller than 50mm and the narrowest stroke width of 5mm


Really? Why is that?

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