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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:02 am

1070mm, 1370mm or 1620mm digital printer. Your opinion pls?

Hello all.

I'm getting new printer soon here in Switzerland. (I've owned Mutoh Valuejet 1204 for 8 years in the past)
In my mind at the moment are 3 sizes (1070mm, 1370mm or 1620mm wide) digital printer. 1370mm likely to win.
A friend recommended me 1620mm wide machine.
Your opinion pls?
Have you been in a position when you've purchased 1370mm printer, and then few months down the line, you are gutted you didn't go for the 1620mm wide machine?
1620mm is to big for me to be honest. That will automatically mean new laminator and new tables also. Also as a vinyl man, I find 1620 mm wide difficult to handle by 1 person.
I'm one man band. My printer is more of a every day tool. Doesn't gets abused a lot. Not many super big banners are being printed here. Mainly vehicle graphics and office signs.
Will be happy to hear your opinion.
Thanks and regards,

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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:45 am

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We have a 1620 printer and while the extra width is very useful at times, 90% of the material we buy in & use is 1370.

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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:08 am

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Get the 1620 machine....and 1600 laminator.

This is what we do:

The ability to put through 1600 banner media lets you sell hemmed (1500mm) 5' banners or 5'x2' coming off sideways

It also lets you put in the smaller 1530mm media for general vinyl work...ideal for floodcoating 10x5 panels and gives the flexibility to do larger shop windows in one piece without tossing out the extra material ALL of the time. Easy to laminate 1530 on your own.


1370mm (54") machines are full of regrets at not being QUITE big enough...and you'd never forgive yourself for a 1070mm...too small.

All that said - you work to what you've got. Like plotters - some people are happy with a 610...I just think it's daftl to have to put joins in a 650mm high letter!

The media ain't THAT heavy or wide (25 to 30kg rolls)

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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:34 am

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Buy the maximum width you can afford or the space available, doesn't mean you have to use it daily, but does give you the option should you need it. We have 54inch cutters but only use 48inch cut vinyl graphics. that said, we do contour cut print graphics up to 54" wide. same story with Printers, 60" wide and laminators 65" wide, but seldom use its full width.
I agree the 60inch rolls are awkward to handle/load due to weight and width combined.
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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:29 pm

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But don't forget there are advantages in a smaller printer too.

e.g less waste - If you need to do a small print there is less wasted unprinted vinyl. Also when a print goes wrong there is less wasted vinyl if you need to start again (yes you can run narrower vinyl through a larger format printer - but this means having to stock a larger range and width at all times).

Faster print speed - a narrower printer will print quicker than the equivalent wider machine as even when printing a narrow section of print the print head will still have to move the full width of the machine at every pass. It follows then that an equivalent printer of half the width should print at twice the speed using an equivalent profile.

And of course as already stated - Narrower rolls are much easier to lift, there is less space required, and the smaller printer is a lower cost to buy and existing laminators and cutters don't need to be upgraded to match the larger width.

I'm on the side of the little guy - surprised Rob isn't too :wink:
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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:41 pm

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Not sure about all machines but our old Roland could be set to media scan, rather than full width scan, preventing the print head travelling the full width of the printer, and only scanning the media width.

We've always had a 1600 machine, although we do now mainly stock 1370 rolls, except for banner material and some pop up media, so we can produce 5ft banners, and 1.5m roller banners.

Also IIRC you can get 2 panel prints side by side for the vivaro type vans on 1600 media, but again depends how many rolls you want floating around the place.

As a minimum I'd probably go for 1370, 1600 if you think it'll come in handy.
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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:18 pm

Re: 1070mm, 1370mm or 1620mm digital printer. Your opinion p

Thanks for your advice Gents.

Definitely not 1070mm

Roland RF640
Mutoh ValuJet 1624X
Mutoh ValuJet 1324X

Unless Mimaki gives bigger discount :wink:
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Post Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:54 pm

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Hi
my main reason for 1600 machine is doing 3000 x 1500 boards in 1 piece

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Post Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:16 am

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Phill Fenton wrote:Faster print speed - a narrower printer will print quicker than the equivalent wider machine as even when printing a narrow section of print the print head will still have to move the full width of the machine at every pass.


I would go as large as money/space allow.

I have a 1600mm machine but if I print a narrow print the head only travels the width of the print each pass not the width of the media.

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Post Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:15 am

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Well you learn something new every day....

Having read David and Johns replies I decided to investigate my own printer and discovered within the menu settings an option to disable "full scan width". Lo and behold my print head now only passes the width of the actual print and does not go full width of the media at each pass. A considerable increase in print speed when doing narrow prints.

So ignore my earlier comments :oops: and thanks John and David for pointing this out to me as this will save me some time in future and speed up some of my printing :thumbup2:
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Post Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:06 am

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I'm glad my posts come in handy every now and again :thumbup2:
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Post Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:25 am

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Every days a school day :D

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Post Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:52 am

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But I'm still right about the wider rolls being much heavier :tongue:

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