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Chris Wool

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Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:53 pm

edge users software

what other software will drive a edge i really want to stick to corel is that a option or not.
i really fancy a edge to compliment our other printers but spandex take the mick.

ideas plaese
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Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:07 pm

Chris, I think Signlab can or used to be able to drive the Edge and Corel works well with Signlab but and this is a big but I think the version of Signlab you need is pretty expensive, that said it could do virtually everything that Draw can do regarding printing file generation and whole lot more than Draw when it comes to plotting.
If Ray see this I'm sure he can elaborate.
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Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:22 pm

It would be a signlab print and cut thermal version.

Not common for full dongled versions but they do appear from time to time on international auction sites. Probably e6 (not the greatest version) or one of the 7.0 / 7.1 series to be one released around the time Gerber edges were popular.

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Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Signlab for us, you have to ask for the thermal modular, we just had another signlab package for another printer, if you can trade in an old dongle it'll cost about £550 we got our from impact.

I think flexisign can operate the edge.. Though cant be too sure
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Post Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:35 am

Best program is Omega, I know I'm biased as I've used it since day one, but it is the best.
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Post Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:55 am

I think Gerber Advantage software works with it. If your interested i have an old version of it 6.1 or something, lying around
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Post Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:26 pm

thanks for you time guys and gals

am i right in saying the edge 1 is 300 dpi
the edge 2 is 600x300
fx 600 x 300 dpi
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Post Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:39 pm

I used Corel for my design work and publish to PDF, then import into Omega for print to the FX and cut on the GS plotter. Probably lazy but I've not got the time to learn Omega properly (as I a Corel man) so it's just used as a job sender for me really.
The FX will print up to 1200 x 600 in Hi res mode using the latest firmware and Omega 5.0. I generally print using this mode for most things over my trusted Roland PC-600, the only thing I really struggle with is colour to colour registration on this FX and always have to move colours around to suit in the design after an initial test print.
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Post Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:15 am

thanks alex do you think its your fx or is this common, i am not getting the best of vibs on the fx. main use will be spot colours so reg may be a problem over process.
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Post Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:39 pm

Chris, I'm really intrigued to know why you want to get in to Edge printing!

We've had ours since 1995, we use Omega, always used Spandex software as it has been the best bet, some people sell used copies.

It was a great little machine in it's day, still is if you happen to own one and it doesn't cost you anything to keep it, but they are only good for certain things now.

What are you thinking of using it for?
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Post Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:56 pm

Chris,
Not sure if it's down to my FX or just the limitations of the printing process, I've never looked in to getting fixed or adjusted. I use a combination of aftermarket refils along with genuine carts and definately can't rely on the colours matching up even with a overlap setting on certain spot colours in Omega, there's also a spool file editor along with Omega 5 which allows you to move spot colours post edit / pre print which suggests to me it's quite common. I only print spot / metallic colours and if I need anything printing in real detail then it goes on the PC-600 as that handles colour registration and cutting to microns - not 0.5mm as with the FX.
As you know these machines have a place in the market and it will really come down to your line of work.
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Post Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:49 pm

Paul thats it they are great at certain things that the ink jets can't come close. chrome and white and other spot colours that are outside a ink jets range.
the edge has no banding unlike other thermal printers, funny how all the samples from a dc4 are just under 4 inches high. i still use my PC60 roland for what alex says.
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Alex i see several reports that the edge 2 was better in a lot of ways do you agree with that.
i have always wanted one from the day they came out but spandex's strangle hold on the product and servicing always put me off, one of the reasons i love rolands is because of the more open approach and a great product.
i should not need a cutter as i think i can get round that
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Post Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:53 pm

Chris Wool wrote:Paul thats it they are great at certain things that the ink jets can't come close. chrome and white and other spot colours that are outside a ink jets range.
the edge has no banding unlike other thermal printers, funny how all the samples from a dc4 are just under 4 inches high. i still use my PC60 roland for what alex says.
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Alex i see several reports that the edge 2 was better in a lot of ways do you agree with that.
i have always wanted one from the day they came out but spandex's strangle hold on the product and servicing always put me off, one of the reasons i love rolands is because of the more open approach and a great product.
i should not need a cutter as i think i can get round that


Chris - I'm not sure on the Edge 2 as I went straight to the FX. From what I've been told the type of ribbons make a difference regarding the colour registration with the genuine gerber foils being the best...don't get me wrong if I wanted to print with multiple spot colours over a 2m or so length then the registration wouldn't be an issue at all with my FX as the colour to colour overlap setting would sort that out, I however generally print 6 or more spot colours with 2mm max text height on a 60mm x 30mm label, for this type I always have to test print and then adjust colours a few pixels one or the other way depending on the colour thats out
The Roland just does it without problems but there's no way I would be printing sequentially numbered labels or even 2m on it. Both machines compliment each other though.
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Post Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:09 pm

Hi Chris, just noticed this on xxx, thought you might be interested
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Post Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:02 pm

Thanks it had not gone un noticed.
Would you please remove the link before the mods do.

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Post Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:03 pm

I find one of the biggest advantages of the Edge, is in fact the accuracy when you put it through the Gerber 380 plotter, it is unrivalled in that respect. I've actually cut an entire 50 metre roll of vinyl, all individual labels.

Where it isn't always as good is actually printing the image down properly on the vinyl. If you're using a flat cast vinyl it's good. A typical calendered vinyl quite often takes several out puts to get one decent one.
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Post Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:25 pm

Paul, I 've been printing on Edges for about 20 years now (crikey! didn't think I'd been using them that long!), and calendered vinyl is 99.9% of what i print on, but never have the problems you're experiencing, I rarely have to reprint anything.

What brand(s) do you print on?
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Post Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:35 am

Paul Hodges wrote:I find one of the biggest advantages of the Edge, is in fact the accuracy when you put it through the Gerber 380 plotter, it is unrivalled in that respect. I've actually cut an entire 50 metre roll of vinyl, all individual labels.

Where it isn't always as good is actually printing the image down properly on the vinyl. If you're using a flat cast vinyl it's good. A typical calendered vinyl quite often takes several out puts to get one decent one.


You need to substitute your vinyl type to a different one if your having that problem, Different vinyls need different heat settings, you do it in the print page.
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Post Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:23 pm

all good stuff keep it coming please.
if replying please say which edge so i can keep track.

jason i can't do messages thanks
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Post Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:53 am

Hi Chaps,

Yes you can change heat settings etc.

I use Avery 700, some metamark, some ultramark. Some calendered vinyls are better than others.

The original idea was to use scotchcal 220 vinyls on the edge, the softer, thinner face film of the cast printed really nicely, naturally you can use any cast that has a flat face film.

With calendered you obviously won't have quite the same compliance. I just did a job on avery 700, the first few labels didn't print perfectly, the rest was okay, so as long as you put spares in there, you're good.

The aggro of the odd re-print probably out weighs the cost of using cast vinyl. You do have to be careful with foil creasing as well.

That's my experience of using an Edge since 1995 anyway

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