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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:36 pm

is there a vinyl made of rubber?

A chap came into the shop today wanting to know whether I could cut him some shapes for his motorbike. It turned out it was a dirt bike (or crosser I think) and the material he gave me as a sample was extremely thick (thicker than banner vinyl, and every vinyl I've come across) yet it still had similar carrier paper and was obviously cut by machine.

Question is, what is this stuff? And is it expensive? And presumably the thickness is because it takes a bit of knocking about, so would it be wise to vinyl numbers onto it? Oh and one last minor thing, is this stuff going to break my shiny plotter? :-?

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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:41 pm

HI Dewi.. NOT SURE IF ITS THE SAME STUFF MATE BUT IM SURE THERE WAS A TOPIC ON THAT TYPE OF VINYL A FEW WEEKS AGO. CANT REMEMBER WHOS ATRTED IT OR THE TOPIC TITLE. SORRY


oh and sorry for the caps :oops:

with regards to plotter.. shouldnt be a problem mate. i think the graphtec plotters have able to cut card and the like.. dont see you having any probs.
try doing a couple of small tets cuts, this way you will be able to see the amount of pressure to set the knife to cut at. :D
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:53 pm

I've seen some of this type of stuff applied to bikes but not on the paper - I wouldn't want to try and cut it on my plotter though, the stuff I'm talking about is really thick and tough. I guess it would be die cut or something, but maybe you got some intermediate grade ?
Did it have any name/make on the paper Dewi ?

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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:56 pm

It looked like brown grease-proof paper, but it was unmarked. There was a small logo on a peice of card in the bag, but it may have nothing to do with it. The logo had a half circle in black and a half circle above in white. :-? Not much help I know, but it was definately thick stuff. Wouldn't like to try and rip it with my teeth, lets put it that way! :wink:

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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:59 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: forget my advice then mate.. im doing this completely blind. if its as bad as nigel says i would check first before cutting it. i have a thin soft rubber in mind here. not a wet suit :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:06 pm

hmmm.... don't know what that would be then mate, probably some specialist producer I guess anyway. If you ever find out more let me know as I have been asked on occasion too.

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:55 am

Robert Lambie wrote:i have a thin soft rubber in mind here. not a wet suit :wink:


Ooeerr Robert :o :o :wink:

I wouldn't describe it as wet suit material, but it is the same thickness I'd say. Also it has a hardish top to it, kind of like a piece of 3mm foamboard, but more flexible and rubbery (that make any sense?).

One thing for sure, if they made wet suits out of this material, it'd be a bumpy ride getting it on, let alone swimming in it! Useful in shark terriotory tho :wink:

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:04 am

Either way Dew it doesn't sound like something you could cut with a regular plotter. If it's a hard wearing material he's looking for you could use a stoneguard material. I don't know much about it but KPMF do one in black or clear. Alternatively you could make a regular graphic and have it resin domed(?) All sounds a bit expensive though, I s'pose.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:27 am

Thanks for that Big G :D I'll ring around for some samples in the morning. Is the stoneguard the one used by stonemasons when they're doing headstones and the like?

Black is his prefered colour, with some white numbers on it, so that could be the stuff to use. As long as it lasts a few kicks of his boots and the odd tumble on the track, I suspect he'll be happy. :wink:

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:40 am

Hi Dewi,
I've been trying to sorce this stuf for years!
I've seen some decals being made by one of the big companies called Werx, they screen print the stickers then apply their own glue on a roller type thing.

There is a company in Norfolk call Danger Uk who supply most of the Moto X world, I think they Edge their graphics, but still not sure about the vinyl.

Not much help I no, but you may be able to give them a call to produce your stickers and just add your mark up. They also have the many different templates for the bikes.

Have a look at the website, it will also give you an idea of the price they charge, Don't do them too cheap!
http://www.danger-uk.co.uk/

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:46 am

No Dew, stoneguard is a really tough vinyl that is used on door pillars on certain cars, and is about 2-3 times the thickness of regular vinyl. Judging by the texture of it though, I wouldn't try to apply vinyl on top of it. At least not the one I saw. It has a very heavy matt texture.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:49 am

We were asked by a moto x company to produce decals like dangeruk,
they are edge printed then laminated with h68 500 mic clear and backed with pure acrylic adhesive (both available from Europoint) he prints the shape and hand cuts them , we looked at samples and you can see slight differences between cuts, i decided for the amount of colours he uses and time involved it wasn't worth using our edge for this type of work...
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:30 am

Thanks guys :D

Johnny, checked out the website, I've seen that kit somewhere before :-?

The laminating method would be a good way of building up to the thickness required, I'll have to see how far this guys budget goes :D

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:30 am

adrian@signrite wrote: laminated with h68 500 mic clear and backed with pure acrylic adhesive (both available from Europoint) .


Adrian,
I contacted Europoint London and they say they don't stock anything like this. Do you have any more info and what branch did you speak with, i'd like to get hold of some, I have loads of Moto X customers. Me included!

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P.S Do you have any samples?
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:13 pm

Bristol branch sent me the samples 0117 938 1000
and it is what Dangeruk use
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:38 pm

Cheers Adrian,
Called them, the're sending samples. They only sell 50m rolls though! Anyone want to go halfs/quarters whatever with me if I order some?

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:39 pm

this vinyl will work

Hi Guys
if you go to this site http://www.graphicms.com/product_sheets ... convex.htm the vinyl they use is thick and for bikes and rough use.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:13 pm

Nice one Terry, I have emailed them to see if there is anywhere in the UK I can get this from.

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:42 pm

Can you let me know what they reply with Johnny? If it's not available, I'll go 50/50 with you on a roll of the other. Do you do any of WerxMX stuff btw? I've tried scanning the brown paper my customer left, but it isn't going too well atm :-?

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:06 pm

No Dewi I hav'nt got any Werx stuff in, but I know the owner of an MX shop so I can maybe lend some stickers for templares. What bike / year do you need?

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:52 pm

Its a Suzuki bike, but haven't got a clue on the year. I tried calling the chap today, but his mobile was off :-? I'll try and catch him tomorrow and grab the year off him.

Thanks for that Johnny, much appreciated :D

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Post Wed May 19, 2004 9:00 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This just about shows my timing :D I finally managed to get round to finding the make and year... its an RM250 from 2002 :D

I've now got 2 weeks to do 3 of them, should be fun, its only took me two months to find out the make and year of the bike! Reckon I should be finished in, ooooh, December :wink: :wink:

Still want to go 50/50 on a roll Johnny? :D

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Post Wed May 19, 2004 9:26 pm

vinyl made of rubber

Dewi+ jonny( sounds like a new game show!!!)

The stuff at www.graphicsms.com.. as per a previous posting, i passed the details of this company to Jane at Vinyl Logistics in Newark,last i heard(couple of weeks ago now!!)she was e-mailing the guy, Doug ****** !

I would suggest you speak to Jane and get an angle on whats happening,.

Graphicsms.com do some super looking equipment and accessories.

One of their other products was at Sign2004,i picked up a sample from the Spandex stand(i think?)Tony Winterbottom had brought it into the country for comments. The sample was a strip 8" long and had miniature motocross number plate shapes kiss cut from a product that graphicsms call "Convex".
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p.s i still have a couple of the strips if you want to see one
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Post Sat May 22, 2004 1:18 am

Hi Dewi,
Sorry for the de.....layed reply, but I'm in Malta on my hol's. How sad am I checking up on work while I'm away?
I've not bumped in to Gino yet though!

Back to the MX vinyl though, there is a company in Ireland doing the convex stuff for the edge, I'v had samples and it looks good stuff.
Sorry can't remember the name though. I dig it out when I get back.
If you need it urgent I contact my work and get the number.
Must go
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Post Sat May 22, 2004 2:20 am

Blimey Johnny! :o Sun, sea, sand and you're checking on signs!! :wink:

Convex stuff sounds good, would that work with the PC60? I forgot to ring Europoint about the 500 clear, but I'll ring them on Monday :D Still haven't finished the designs yet, not good :-?

Enjoy your holiday though mate, bring us back a stick of rock :wink: :wink:

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Post Fri May 28, 2004 9:58 pm

Not exactly a perfect example of racing graphics, but it is my first one :D

Hopefully it'll stay on at its first race long enough for me to get some pictures of it :-?

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Post Fri May 28, 2004 10:03 pm

:D Yay!! Looks good Dewi!!!! :D
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Post Fri May 28, 2004 10:11 pm

Nice one mate, hope he doesn't crash out too soon !

Just for others information I contacted the people mentioned above in the states and they sent details of their Irish distributor for "Convex" and other films -
Sign+Digital Materials Limited - Dublin Ireland
+353(0)1 467 5300
pdaly@sdmie.com

I havn't had chance to contact them myself but there the info for anyone who's keen :wink: be interesting to know if anyone makes any progress on this front also ....

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Post Fri May 28, 2004 10:15 pm

But if it doesn't , you get another one to do.......think of it that way mate. :D
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Post Fri May 28, 2004 10:16 pm

I was just about to say, 'I'll ring em on Tuesday' :lol: Don't think I'll have the time though, I'll be too busy trying to get all those crease marks I've made on a porsche :wink: :wink: :wink:

Thank you for that though Nigel. I'm hoping this will be the first of many once I've got the hang of it, but I've got to admit, this one was not nice to fit :-? Ahh well, its done, thats the main thing :D

Edit: True Nobby :D Doubt the rider will be too chuffed tho :roll: He's a cool bloke though, I'm helping to fit more to his bike soon, so it should be fun :D

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Post Sat May 29, 2004 7:32 pm

Did some graphics on the bike I did the front panel for. It was a ready-made kit, so it was just the fitting, but it turned out quite well. Blimey is that stuff thick though :o :o Get a bubble and you need a pnuematic drill to pierce the vinyl! :wink:

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Post Sat May 29, 2004 8:34 pm

nice job Dewi!! :D :D

i've never seen that type of vinyl!!

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Post Sat May 29, 2004 9:01 pm

Is it like what they use for a sandblast stencil???? That is grey only mind you thinking about it..

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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:17 am

I think it's the convex material mentioned earlier in the thread. I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on some and making my own graphics kits :D

Pictured below is the side of the bike and some ugly mush attempting to fit more graphics on the other side :roll:

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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:22 am

looking great Dewi :D
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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:26 am

Me or the bike? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:27 am

:oops: :oops: I could dig a very deep whole If I answer either way ......... ummmmmmm ... nice wall you have there Dewi :lol: :lol:
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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:30 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

*passes Carrie a spade* So the guys wall is better looking than me and his bike then? :lol: :lol:

Sorry I keep posting pics of this one though, the first bike I've done and I've enjoyed watching it come together :D Dying to see it in action on a race track/dirt track ( :oops: :oops: I should really know that shouldn't I!)

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Post Sun May 30, 2004 12:44 am

[quote="Dewi"]:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

*passes Carrie a spade* So the guys wall is better looking than me and his bike then? :lol: :lol:

*takes the spade* Everything & everyone looks great :lol:

Edit: Bless Dewi you can post till your hearts content ....... Its great to be proud of work :wink: :D

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