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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:25 pm

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I need to supply some window stickers that go across the back window on Learner cars, they must be non obstructive to the learner, See through? Is there a suitable material I could get these printed on too?
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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:44 pm

Hi Steve,

Think its contravision or one way vision. Also Rob did a tutorial a while back giving instructions on how to make your own DIY solution to this.

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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:49 pm

Yes contravision works just fine on car windows ill pm ou one we did recently - cant upload it here! the guy just couldn't believe that you could see through it from the inside!

Two things to bear in mind a full window cover will be difficult if there is any curve on the glass and whilst impacts layouts are generally spot on I have found the rear windows are out a bit make sure you double check the dimensions first!
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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:12 pm

also check the rules for driving instructors it is my belief they can have not a lot on a back window

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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:25 pm

also, when it rains the drops can sit in the cut out circles obscuring vision...
I dont know if laminating gets rid of this...
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Post Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:47 pm

For Cheryl...Laminating does protect the contavision from rain and especially wipers!

For Nigal...Regardless of curve of window contravision on a window shouldn't cause any probs, even to an armature
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:03 am

what size are they? Sounds like you need static clear cling screen printed if there are enough
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:07 pm

Thanks for all the replies

The size is going to be around 700mm width x 75mm height

Its basically a strip of text.

the job will need to be outsourced so any ideas welcome.

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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:34 pm

Matty Goodwin wrote:For Cheryl...

For Nigal...Regardless of curve of window contravision on a window shouldn't cause any probs, even to an armature


How come Matty please explain? If a window curves in at the top and at the edges it creates a crease? or 4 creases?

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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:23 pm

Sorry Nigel, I wrap and fit all day, every day and take it for granted that vinyl with holes in it (contravision) is easy to fit without getting bubbles or creases in it.

Maybe I'm wrong...
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:35 pm

Matty your just being facetious i asked a genuine question, you may take it for granted others don't. Simple question, glad that you manage it shame that you don't want to share - thought that what this site was about
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:41 pm

I wasn't being facetious and certainly don't mean to offend yourself your any others here. I mealy meant that a vinyl with holes in it it near impossible not to fit correctly. If I could explain in word how to fit I would but a demonstration would prove my point.

Again, sorry if this post has offended anyone. :oops: :agree:
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:47 pm

agree to disagree? I'm not disagreeing with you I'm asking your advice? your reply is I don't have a problem with it?

Contravisoin is a doddle to fit on flat surfaces yes no problems if the glass has a curve at the edges no problem- if it curves at the top and the bottom what do you do with the 'slack' that occurs? in the four corners that's what im asking you?
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Post Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:59 pm

Nigal, either do a wrapping coarse or learn to fit. If a customer asked our sign shop can they have contravision on their rear windows and we replied, 'I don't no, I'll ask a forum how to do it' ....well need I say more.

Help...yes

Advice....yes

How to fit vinyl from a sign maker...NO!
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:04 am

stange attitude matty strange attitude!
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:05 am

my names Nigel by the way with an e not an a
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:06 am

Matty you have signed up as a member of the UKSB the whole point of the site is to help others, and also get help yourself, Nigel and others were asking a simple question, one that you obviously cant answer or wont answer, you might think you are the best 'wrapper' around, and yes your attitude and manners are showing so, if you will please kindly refrain from negative replies or the boards will not hesitate in deleting them, a read over the board rules will keep you informed
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:14 am

Well said Nic
Matty, that is definitely against the spirit of this great and GENEROUS forum. I notice you made some remarks on another thread about wrapping last night....but haven't come back to answer those that disagree with your expert opinion. :D
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:16 am

Ok point taken.

Apologies all round. BUT I don't think Im the 'best wrapper around'. I have experience as many others here do and can't understand the issue with contravision. It seems GOLD members can rant and be arrogant but other members can't.

I applogised and had a bitter reply but I get reprimanded.
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:28 am

The reason contravision is easy to apply to a compound curve is the holes. They allow you to work the slack material away evenly. A bit like drawing a union jack with your squeegee. It is quite a flexible material to use and because of the lack of adhesive surface area is easy to pull off and re-apply. As for lamination, I think it still comes in clear so you could apply it to the inside. That would prevent any problems with wipers damaging it.

Now that is a constructive reply.
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:31 am

Didn't I advise laminate in my first reply?

Please stop ganging up on me.... :cry:
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:38 am

Ha ha. I'm not ganging up. Just leading by example. :D

Would it need laminating if going inside? I dunno, might be a good idea. Would in my car because of all the cigarette smoke!
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:40 am

Anyway, in short, contravision is very easy to apply. Go on son, have a bash at it!
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:57 am

I think that you might be being a bit rough on Matty here.

Lots of things are easy to demonstrate, but difficult to put into words. If that wasn't the case then we wouldn't need wrapping courses - we only need read a book. We wouldn't need video tutorials either.

If Matt says something is easy then, regardless of anything else, that would give me the encouragement to give it a try. Which is where we ended up. :D
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Post Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:40 am

Thanks for the replies

customer a little concerned that the wipers might destroy the vinyl, think i need to get a sample one and try.

any ideas where i could get 700mm x 75 mm sample?

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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:02 am

Steve, i did suggest static cling on page one, have you not tried it yet? Can be fitted from the inside and can be clear or white
Can be printed or screen printed depending on quantity
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:29 am

Chris Windebank wrote:Steve, i did suggest static cling on page one, have you not tried it yet? Can be fitted from the inside and can be clear or white
Can be printed or screen printed depending on quantity


Hi Chris and thanks for your suggestion, because these are learner cars the visibility would be obscured too much with a normal window sticker.

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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:53 am

so what are you going to use? A clear sticker with a small ammount of print in my opinion would be better then anything else
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:55 am

Chris Windebank wrote:so what are you going to use? A clear sticker with a small ammount of print in my opinion would be better then anything else


The Customer wants a large sticker or nothing im afraid so will get some contravision to try. If thats no good then the job will be shelved.
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:02 am

Yes, you can see through Contravision, but it does obscure the view and I would not have thought it suitable for learner drivers who need all the help they can get.
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:16 am

Also, laminating perforated film makes viewing kind of 'oily'.
I know, I have 20 1300mm x 525mm laminated perforated film prints under my bench, all outsourced.
One went on, I then got a phone call to collect the rest, and to come up with another idea!

By the way, Contravision is a branded product, and is the film which you may see in bus shelters and the like, where the print is virtually invisible from the inside, but full colour outside. It is also horrendously expensive.

Perforated film is different, and what most of you are talking about. I know, cos I got told in my thread about tractor windows & perf. film.

Hope this helps! :lol1:
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:22 am

dont know about uk, but here in spain unlaminated perforated vinyl only lasts about 6 months before fading! and when laminated as lorraine says it is like being underwater, not clear at all and i would presume utterly useless for learner drivers! although i believe you can get a totally transparent laminate for this purpose but it is not cheap!

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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:31 am

My thoughts too John.
Steve, what is the finished size of these?
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:36 am

700mm x 75mm Chris. I would have thought clear cling would be ideal, unless he wants it through the middle of the window.
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:17 am

Lorraine and Dan......

Yes, you must use an optically clear laminate for this sort of thing.

And, yes, I found out the hard way too, but fortunately only on one vehicle. :D
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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:26 am

John Childs wrote:Lorraine and Dan......

Yes, you must use an optically clear laminate for this sort of thing.

And, yes, I found out the hard way too, but fortunately only on one vehicle. :D


Ah, that's a new one on me John! Wish I had found that out £400 ago!

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Post Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:03 pm

Window Stickers

I posted a while ago regarding the printing of window stickers and it seems that I went a really long way about it as I cut them out all out individually not to mention hand applying the white background to white wash the back of the stickers.


Anyway I have 320 stickers to make, but this time round so I wont be cutting them by hand, so what I am asking is am I going the right way about it if I follow the procedure below;

1) Print the stickers reversed on clear vinyl along with crop marks etc but telling the machine to print only and not cut yet.

2) Whitewash the back with white vinyl using my industrial laminator making sure to place masking tape over the crop marks so I can remove that section later.

3) Remove the white vinyl where the crop marks are.

4) Feed the sheet of whitewashed stickers back into the versacamm, this time telling the machine to cut only.

Am I correct??

If I am correct can somebody answer me this, if for example I feed the material back into the versacamm for cutting and it is not perfectly aligned (because it would be impossible to get it 100%) will the machine recognise this and compensate for the misalignment when cutting and secondly where the hell do I increase the pressure on the blade for the Roland Versacamm.

I am sooooo sorry for such a long post.

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Post Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:52 am

Window Stcker...........

Anybody out there to tell me if I am going about the above the correct way......

Anybody???

PLeeeeezzee

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Post Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:36 am

Darren

The procedure you describe is fine. The alignment work and blade pressure on my machine is done via the RIP. I am using Troop so it will be different to what you use so cant help describe the procedure.

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Post Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:15 pm

Yes you are correct but don't do too many in each run or it will run off.
The pressure change can be found in the cutting menu, just play around the menu until you know where everything is. And do a test cut on the laminated material before you cut them all out. Check in the manual how this is done.
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Post Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:30 pm

Window Stickers

Thanks for the responses and the advice guys.

Very much appreciated.

Regards,

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