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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:57 pm

New A3 Mimaki flatbed Printer - WOW

Just received an email about this and it looks like a good little machine for it's purpose, hope to see it at SignUK.
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:47 pm

it looks good
list price around 3k and operating cost at around £2psm (what I was Told)

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:02 pm

Peter Normington wrote:it looks good
list price around 3k and operating cost at around £2psm (what I was Told)

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That's even better news then, I think there could be an excellent market for this.

Do you think this will make more of the Gerbers obsolete?
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:08 pm

sod thought i was going to get away with out buying anything this year.

might replace the pc 60 :oops:
that lovely print technology and no cut :(

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:13 pm

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Peter Normington wrote:it looks good
list price around 3k and operating cost at around £2psm (what I was Told)

Peter


That's even better news then, I think there could be an excellent market for this.

Do you think this will make more of the Gerbers obsolete?


nope, its a3 only so no good for long runs of labels. etc. and a lot slower than the gerber.

it will eat into the die sub market more, it cant do textiles though.
and being uv can do braille, if you are into that market.
It prints white which is good for glass items, non sure if it does metalics though

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:51 pm

I asked Hybrid, and the RRP is an eyewatering £22,995. OUCH!
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:01 pm

just polished the pc60 looks like new :D
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:30 pm

dont get to excited guys.

just spoke to signmaster, its nearer £23K!! I either misheard or had a senior moment

you woold need to print a lot of pens to get a return back :(

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:38 pm

Yeah that's pretty grim news really, will be good to see it in action at SignUK though but would have thought the UV Roland that prints metallics etc will be better than this then?
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:41 pm

I could be wrong, but I can't see them shifting many....I would have thought
most would prefer to buy a wide format at that price.
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:53 pm

A little bit of action here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn65hphJSn4[/youtube]

Hope it's okay to post links to Youtube!
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:18 pm

I need to brush up on my Taiwanese. :D
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:20 pm

yep, saw that week ago :D

its amazing little thing... UV too... BUT... how much is the big one?
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:23 pm

I like the look of this as well, looking forward to seeing this at sign UK. Spoke to Signmaster earlier and they said that someone had rang and tried to order one for £3K.
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:26 pm

Jason Davies wrote:I like the look of this as well, looking forward to seeing this at sign UK. Spoke to Signmaster earlier and they said that someone had rang and tried to order one for £3K.


It wasn't me who rand but if they were 3K I would be ordering one for sure :lol1:
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:27 pm

That's what I said, I'll take two at this price please.

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm

Warren Beard wrote:
It wasn't me who rand but if they were 3K I would be ordering one for sure :lol1:


Nostalgic slip of the finger Warren? :D :D
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:22 pm

Had a demo on the Roland UV yesterday. Amazing machine-I think 700 wide roll- all good- price 45'ish grand! i will keep saving...!
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:39 pm

Harry Cleary wrote:
Warren Beard wrote:
It wasn't me who rand but if they were 3K I would be ordering one for sure :lol1:


Nostalgic slip of the finger Warren? :D :D


:rofl:

The funniest thing is I didn't even notice and an Irishman points it out to me :oops: :lol1:

Good catch Harry :lol1:
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:42 pm

Luke Lansdell wrote:Had a demo on the Roland UV yesterday. Amazing machine-I think 700 wide roll- all good- price 45'ish grand! i will keep saving...!

it was a lot cheaper than that last year

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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:44 pm

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The funniest thing is I didn't even notice and an Irishman points it out to me :oops: :lol1:


:D :D :D We're only stupid in jokes.....


















...........I think. :o :D
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Post Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:49 pm

Harry's Irish? You'll be telling me Rob's a Scotsman next. :P
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Andy Gorman wrote:Harry's Irish? You'll be telling me Rob's a Scotsman next. :P



:D :D I suspect yer man Shane is an Aussie too! But don't tell anyone! :o
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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:21 am

I have my suspicions about Shaney. He keeps using strange words, like 'ute' instead of van.
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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:38 am

i skimmed the thread, couldn't take much more of the cheese on toast video with "catch phrase" sounds and music playing in the background. so sorry if i am getting this wrong... so its £23?

is this machine not doing similar to that of the Bullet that came on the market some years ago from B&P? i forget the original name for it, but that was the rebadged name... that did all this sort of wonderful things and i believe Rodney Gold sang its praises back then i think.

I can see where it has MANY uses...
but from a sign makers point of view, its VERY limited in size and someone mentioned its also slow?
Its not going to be much use for "long term" vehicle graphics as the prints cannot be laminated due to the UV inks textured embossed surface.
again... size. yes we all got by back in the day with tilling prints, but lets face it, with roll to roll solvent machines on the go at a fraction of the cost, i know what ide be buying.
you are also limited to applying the prints on flat panels of the vehicle because UV ink will not stretch and only flake.
if printing onto rigid media, check exactly what it keys onto "without" keying fluids. even if using keying fluids prior, check it still keys well using whatever method of trimming/finishing you want to do. Some UV "prints" on the likes of alluminium, di-bond and the like will shatter if guilotining them without leaving a margin of space/bleed.

do not get me wrong, i am not trying to rubbish the machine. it clearly has many uses and looks a great bit of kit. i am saying this purely from a sign makers point of view. not a sign shop on the high street doing short runs of a bit of everything, or someone that does allot of promotional goods and the like... just purely signs background. that said, think peter did say you will have to sell a hell of allot of key ings, pens etc to get your £23k back.
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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:48 am

£23K, thats the sort of area i thought the machine would be in....

but then again how about saving up another 20-30K and getting the mimaki uv flatbed/rollfed instead.

Interesting thoughts rob and I know u got the UV experience first hand.
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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:50 am

Like Dave says, interesting thoughts Rob.

We had a meeting with a printer last night who has just had his monster UV flatbed installed, and I was surprised at the limitations.

For our line of work I think we'll be sticking with solvent for some time to come.
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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:49 am

I was really keen to see this launched as we are quite involved in the promotional market where this is clearly aimed. Identify, the laser people have a similar printer with a larger bed currently using solvents (with white) but have promised a UV upgrade for this. Again the price is too high at around 16K and given that you are up against screen and pad printers, its difficult to see where you can make any money back at these prices.

Traditionally promotional print is very cheap on pens, usb sticks and the like and give the slow speed/small bed I cant see these going anywhere except schools etc. at this price.

If they can get one down nearer the 5-8K mark we may be interested but first I have got to find somewhere to put it!

PS Chris - Identify sell theirs alongside the lasers as a print and cut solution but i agree a pricey alternative to a pc60

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Post Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:05 pm

Seems to me that at 23 grand this a massively overpriced piece of nonsense cashing in on a well established brand name within the industry.
Maybe I´ve missed something, but I can´t see where it fits into either the sign or promotional products business.

You could buy a couple of much more versatile A3 size machines costing less than 3000 quid each, which print full colour directly onto all flat substrates, plus most promotional products including golf balls, drinking glasses, pens, lighters, key-fobs etc., etc.
These printers are all made in China (not necessarily a bad thing). I´ve seen them working and they appear to do a good job.

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