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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:03 pm

Do customers think you're daft?

Just had 2 eastern european gentlemen in asking about signs.
He asked me to give him a cost and I said I'd need to work it out and I'd get back to him. There was a shed load on info he wanted on a sign - overkill, as well as digi prints 'to make it look nice' :roll:
He asked again how much - I told him again I'd work it out and call. Then he said ' my friend said for 3 metere sign about 1 m high should be no more than £50'
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:09 pm

I wouldn't even get back to him, but that's just me :roll:
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:16 pm

he should get his Friend to do it then :D


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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:34 pm

had a chap phone about a new shop he is opening and went along to see him. Seems he was selling computer parts but told me he was also offering t shirt printing too! Turns out he brought a cheap cutter and could not work it so asked me to do the signage. Started off at 300 squid, the 200 then 100 for me to supply the vinyl only and let him fit the sign, apparently I was about still 50 notes over his budget
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:37 pm

Well………………..

I'm not sure that they think we're daft, in most cases I think that they genuinely don't have a clue what's involved. Then all they have to go on is what their mates tell them, or what they find on the internet.

I had a bloke tell me once that we were too dear for a batch of stickers because he had seen the same size ones available on the internet for a quarter of what I was quoting. When I checked, his internet ones were two colour single sided, when what he really wanted was four colour, double sided, with a block-out layer in between.
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:44 pm

I'm with Lynn.
I would have said "What a bargain! You better let your friend do it."

Some of my potential clients think I am daft as well, but I purposely cultivate that image.
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:49 pm

But it's tongue and cheek isn't it... 3mtr x 1mtr is £50, arnt just trying to let you know what they are thinking the price will be near lol
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:49 pm

Here in Northampton we have a 'company' that offers 'Any van graphics for £100 fitted'.

Luckily for me they have a cheap plotter and even cheaper vinyl and a 1980's clip art cd!

The customer soon realises this and comes to the real sign company's!

I feel guilty about charging them to strip and fit. Not!!

£100 or £50 suits there budget. £300 gets them what they want.

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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:52 pm

well I'm in no hurry to 'get back to him' my price will not be what he's looking for that's for sure!
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:02 pm

an the guy I went to see in November still has no sign up!
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:56 pm

And just what is the matter with an 80s clip art CD?
I make signs every week that say RELAX with a drawing of George Michael on them!
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:13 pm

Actually Jill that was Frankie goes to Hollywood. George Michael was "Choose Life". I Know I know your American.
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:24 pm

I really did know that you know.
I'm just worried that YOU knew it.
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:20 pm

Chris, of course the guy you went to see in November still doesn't have a sign up, he's still busy trying to figure out how to use the plotter since you are obviously far to expensive :lol1:
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:51 pm

Now that vinyl graphics are processed by plotters/printers instead of by hand cutting. The process is perceived as just pressing a few buttons.

Pressing the buttons in the right order makes all the difference.

I'm sure there was a similar saying, had something to do with a piano and a comedy duo.
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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:11 pm

Stuart John Halliday wrote:Now that vinyl graphics are processed by plotters/printers instead of by hand cutting. The process is perceived as just pressing a few buttons.

Pressing the buttons in the right order makes all the difference.

I'm sure there was a similar saying, had something to do with a piano and a comedy duo.


was vinyl ever cut by hand? I missed the transition twixt brush and plotter....
thought the hand cutters were the cheap Chinese plotter equivalent, back when.

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Post Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:25 pm

I'm talking about 23 years ago. When I started as a trainee there was a new state of the art CAD table and operator. A separate department had artists who prepared artwork for screenprinting by hand cutting rubylith for seperations. Complex one off signage would have been hand cut in vinyl.
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:24 pm

Jillbeans wrote:I really did know that you know.
I'm just worried that YOU knew it.
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:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:27 pm

Jillbeans wrote:I really did know that you know.
I'm just worried that YOU knew it.
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Ha Ha Ha ! Bloody yanks
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:46 pm

Peter Normington wrote:
Stuart John Halliday wrote:Now that vinyl graphics are processed by plotters/printers instead of by hand cutting. The process is perceived as just pressing a few buttons.

Pressing the buttons in the right order makes all the difference.

I'm sure there was a similar saying, had something to do with a piano and a comedy duo.


was vinyl ever cut by hand? I missed the transition twixt brush and plotter....
thought the hand cutters were the cheap Chinese plotter equivalent, back when.

Peter


Most of Asia does it uses vinyl in this way Peter, though for most hand painting is far cheaper. But to these guys time is cheap.
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:00 pm

Peter Normington wrote:was vinyl ever cut by hand? I missed the transition twixt brush and plotter....
thought the hand cutters were the cheap Chinese plotter equivalent, back when.

Peter


Yes, it was Peter, I did a couple of vans with vinyl I cut by hand many years ago.

It was Fasson vinyl if I remember correctly and this was about 6 years before I got into vinyl signs.
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:42 pm

Stuart John Halliday wrote:A separate department had artists who prepared artwork for screenprinting by hand cutting rubylith for seperations.


I'm glad to be able to say that I was trained in that world. That is what makes me such a fussy bugger today, if you made a mistake in your cutting that mistake was multiplied by the number of prints. Another notch on my bow! :D
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Post Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:53 pm

A good mate of mine still hand cuts today if he is onsite and stuffs up a letter while fitting. He always carries a sheet of the colour with him incase he stuffs up.

Brilliant artist, lousy fitter though :lol1:

He still hand cuts scrolls though. Brilliant to watch.
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Post Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:36 pm

When I started, vinyl cutters were in their infancy and cost heaps.
Working in the near darkness, I used a swivel blade to cut out vinyl beneath a photographic projector, using fonts photocopied from old Letraset books onto clear acetate strips.
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:21 am

yep going back in time now.
yes cut several vans by hand, drawn on to paper by use of letraset and projector, enlarging photo copier.
cut through paper and vinyl not backing paper, then first plotter a A3 flat bed think it was £2200 then.

still if on site a muck up a letter hopefully there is another the same in the design, trace it and cut it out.

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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:09 am

I've never cut lettering by hand, but did plenty of logos in the early days.
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:36 am

i have cut ruby myself in silk screening, also camera enlarger techniques for transferring print to film (well my colleague did that mainly)

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