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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:41 am

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Not content to just change the rules when it looked like the French wouldn't make it South Africa, Fifa stand over this. Serious investigations of that linesman and ref should be made. Ridiculous that that this sport doesn't have video judgments. Henry told the ref that he had handled it and the ref ignored it! Offside, and two hand balls??? Probably the best performance ever from an Irish team. What do you have to do?
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:57 am

ah now i seen it, it would be a goal anyway lol
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:07 am

How do you figure that Dave?
It should have been a goal kick.
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:10 am

Nah - you're clutching at straws Harry - you were beaten fair and square.....unlike when England got knocked out of the world cup many years ago by Madonna (prior to having her gender operation presumably :-?)

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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:14 am

:D :D I wouldn't mind doing a gender operation on Thierry Henry this morning! :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:34 am

Be thankful Harry,

Henry saved the Irish economy from being broke to going totally bankrupt, by stopping all those euros going to Southafrica :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:37 am

Henry told the ref that he had handled it and the ref ignored it!

I have never understood this point either Harry the only thing i can see a way out of this is player power you have told the ref he ignores you so go and pick up the ball in your own penalty area to right the wrong :-?

you was robbed :evil:
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:51 am

good point George...honesty is allowed in other sports...golf, tennis etc and it doesn't ruin things. In rugby the video ref has become an exciting part of the game and you can't argue with it. There is a long litany of dishonesty in soccer that needs to be addressed. Video replays would be a start.
Sepp Blather and Platini have disgraced a once honourable game.
Ian is right in a way.....it all comes down to the money. :( :(
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:47 am

a shame for ireland indeed, Harry.

i no longer watch football because of all the cheating and poncing about but, i never expected the ref's to be involved.

as you say, in rugby, the video ref is an exciting part, those few moments where you're all stood in silence, watching the big screen, trying to work out if it was a try or not, and only on the last shot is it clear either way, is really tense but, a great feeling when it's awarded, you also feel justice is done when decisions go right (for either side) which in turn reduces the opportunity to cheat.

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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:55 am

Hugh Potter wrote:as you say, in rugby, the video ref is an exciting part,

Ditto American Football.
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:56 am

they've even taken the video down to stop peple checking it out!!!

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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:05 pm

Harry, I feel for you mate :(

I didn't see what happened and all youtube links have been removed.
In this day and age with so much at stake I think a video replay system should definitely be considered.

Would have been great for another home nation to have reached the finals.
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:D :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:55 pm

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I didn't see what happened and all youtube links have been removed.



Seems FIFA are running scared on this one....they don't even mention the handball incident on their own website and France seem to be siding with the Irish, who would want to get to the finals on that basis anyway?
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:40 pm

Sorry, I can't help it! :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:09 pm

Harry Cleary wrote:Sorry, I can't help it! :D


Don't worry, you keep em coming Harry. :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:18 pm

Martin Cole wrote:Don't worry, you keep em coming Harry. :D


Okay then :D

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I'm not going away you know! :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:03 pm

Yiz just don't care do yiz? :D it's ok....I'll sulk in here on me own! :(
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:16 pm

love the rugby one harry!! I think you have every right to rant!! Henry should have been a bigger man and come clean!!
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:18 pm

Dan Osterbery wrote:love the rugby one harry!! I think you have every right to rant!! Henry should have been a bigger man and come clean!!


Even if he did come clean the goal would more than likely have stood, its been a fix from the start.

Im as gutted as you Harry, England have more chance of beating Ireland than they do of beating France :p
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:21 pm

When I said keep em coming Harry (hmm)

Go and have have a lye down in a dark room for an hour or two.


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Can't wait to see what happened though, it must be on the news tonight.

I'll report back tomorrow as to whether I think it should be a replay or not :)
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:31 pm

turn the volume down and you can see it here Martin..notice the reaction of every single Irish player.....and I'm going for a wee lie down! :D :D
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Couldn't sleep! :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:11 pm

ooooo.. i thought he was the one in goal.... no hes no12.... oh deary me
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:03 pm

its unbelievable that blond lady isn't on sky at a decent hour
or even sky news

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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:10 pm

Harry Cleary wrote:Couldn't sleep! :D

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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:14 pm

Come on Harry, I was enjoying those, get up and do some more :lol1: :lol1:
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:01 pm

Alright....just for you Martin
btw....these aren't all mine...just some of the craic that has been going on here today. Only the Gillette one is mine. :D
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Post Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:21 pm

I love watching footie but all these bad decisions are really putting me off the game. I'm becoming more and more skeptical of ref's

I think the French are embarrassed about this incident
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:12 am

Hugh Potter wrote:a shame for ireland indeed, Harry.

i no longer watch football because of all the cheating and poncing about but, i never expected the ref's to be involved.


Hugh


You was robbed Harry. Even the press here are behind the Irish...

I'm with Hugh. I gave up liking and watching the game when I was a kid and played as a goal keeper. All the acting for a free kick or penalty was rife even then. The refs were poor at best.

With the big money involved now it has become a laughing stock of the other codes.

Youtube have some unbelievably obvious clips of cheating yet the sport goes on regardless. No wonder the frustration of the fans leads to riots, it just not worth supporting anymore.

I'm not a huge follower of league, but as has been said, the third umpire helps keeps the game 'legal'.

This incident might be a catalyst for change though. Then again, I think FIFA are corrupt anyway, so may be not :evil:
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:30 am

You know it all goes back to the 1966 world cup final when Geof Hursts first goal was allowed. Clearly the ball never crossed the line yet the goal was awarded. Had it not been for the corrupt nature of the refereeing this goal would never have been allowed. The Germans would never have given up at this point and Geof Hurst would never have scored his hat trick. Germany would have won the world cup in 1966 and the world would have been a better place.

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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:33 am

FIFA have brought a lot of it on themselves because of some of the changes they have made, lets face it nowdays it's all about the money and nobody really cares what the fans think because they know whatever they do the fans will put up with it. May make a fuss about it from time to time but they will keep following their team or country regardless.
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:46 pm

Well :( FIFA have ruled out a replay...so that's that! :(

p.s. Could some of you English guys advise on how to 'go on about this' for ...say 30... maybe 40 years?. I'm a bit unsure how to proceed. :D :D

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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:52 pm

Harry they never were going to have a replay because of the chaos it would cause in future with every other football game. (oh i swore !) but true!

besides you would not of got very far anyway if you qualified :lol1:
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:07 pm

Agreed George....but I think they conspired to make sure that France and Portugal and Russia made it. The changed the seeding rule but say they can't change Rule 5.....it's a sick joke and has a huge financial implication for the game here.Solvenia upset their plans, fair play to them! Shame is, had Duff, O'Shea and Keane taken their chances we would have done it too.
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:08 pm

I will send you an England shirt when the world cup is on H :wink:
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:32 pm

Thanks George...but I look awful in white. :D
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:07 pm

I'm gutted for you Harry,

I watched it last night..as a report says the first hand ball was maybe a reflex reaction but the second flick on...well what can you say.

To not be given the opportunity of a penalty shoot out and possible qualification on that decision is criminal as was the Maradona incident with England. It will go down in the history books as a what if...??








Phill wrote: Germany would have won the world cup in 1966 and the world would have been a better place.


A bizzare thing to say Phill :-?

The Geoff Hurst goal (or not) cannot be compaired this incident.
From the clips the ball still looks like it crossed the line to me....but from other clips I have seen it doesn't.

That's not cheating though, it was a knife edge decision that could have gone either way and probably happens every week in football. (hence the need for possible video replays)

The Henry incident was clearly cheating as is when players now dive etc etc. But with so much at stake on this particular game I really feel for the Irish.

As with watching football now, I still love it..but the game changed when SKY TV came on board and it all became money orientated and when there is big money involved you get cheating, corruption and conspiracies.

Not so much about pride for playing for a club and country as about how much for me and my agent.


Anyway...I don't think Henry will be going to Dublin on any Stag nights for a while.
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:09 pm

Roy keane seems to have a lot to say on it Harry :roll:
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:19 pm

George Elsmore wrote:Roy keane seems to have a lot to say on it Harry :roll:


He's a whinging prat George....he deliberately misses the point so he can have a go at John Delaney who told him to get lost at the time of Saipan....doesn't matter if the ball was cleared or not...any defender could be forgiven for assuming that ball was on the way out....I and all of Ireland can live with a defensive error, it's the missed offside by not one, but two players and that second 'directing' touch of the ball and the reseeding of the teams that is a disgrace. I was gonna say 'travesty' but thats a French word isn't it? .... :D :D
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:21 pm

You cannot call Irelands next manager a pratt :o
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:29 pm

:D :D :D I think Roy is finding management is not as simples as he thought it would be! :D
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:34 pm

Yup His Ipswich team are doing well :lol1:
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:44 pm

:D :D :D says it all doesn't it....did you hear the interview with him...when he scolds the journo for not turning off his phone?....I thought it was a plsstake :D :D :D classic!
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:46 pm

I'm actually surprised Ipswich gave him the job after his last attempt at management !!

Why is it that people think someone will make a good manager just because they were a good player, I have seen it happen on lots of occasions over the last 10 years where a player finishes his career as a player and jumps straight into management at a premier or championship club.

It's a completely different position and in my opinion they should go back to the start and learn from the bottom up, that way they would benefit and some of the lower teams would also benefit from their experience as a player.

Problem is as has been mentioned already the game is driven purely by money these days and they wouldn't get the wages they think they deserve at a bottom club.
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:57 pm

As a Sunderland fan I dont think Roy Keane should ever be given another shot at Management once Ipswich have sacked him.
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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:49 pm

Paul Humble wrote:As a Sunderland fan I dont think Roy Keane should ever be given another shot at Management once Ipswich have sacked him.


You just couldn't understand his Cork accent! :D


Wait for the phone bit at 3.17 :D

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Post Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:55 pm

Hey Harry
what a fantastic game
I think I must have got high points cos they put me on another game page

He'll not live this down :no1:
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:29 am

Just heard Roy Keane, on Sky Sports News, who used to play for my favourite premiership team
He's got some issue(s)
He's telling the Ireland to 'get over it'
but the fact of the matter is that everyone, everywhere, not just in Ireland sees the injustice of it
Is he telling all of us around the world to 'get over it'
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:50 am

does it occur to the idiot that its the fans that make the obscene prices paid for players possible.

The fans should stay away in protest from the games for a few weeks... the loss of revenue would talk louder the verbal protests.
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:45 am

Harry Cleary wrote:
Paul Humble wrote:As a Sunderland fan I dont think Roy Keane should ever be given another shot at Management once Ipswich have sacked him.


You just couldn't understand his Cork accent! :D


Wait for the phone bit at 3.17 :D

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what a knob!!

tells the whole of ireland, and the world, they should get over it, tells us he (henry) bent the rules and in the next breath that there's cheating all the time and cheating should be stopped, then has a go at someone for being rude and leaving a phone on, pot.. kettle...

Gutted for Ireland, very bad decision by fifa, as Shane says, perhaps the games should be boycotted (french games anyways) but, the chances of that happening are what....zero?
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:34 am

At least Henry and the rest of the French team who are having serious rows with their manager didn't run home whinging, letting down all their fans who pay a fortune to see them play around the world.
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:57 pm

John Singh wrote:Just heard Roy Keane, on Sky Sports News, who used to play for my favourite premiership team
He's got some issue(s)
He's telling the Ireland to 'get over it'
but the fact of the matter is that everyone, everywhere, not just in Ireland sees the injustice of it
Is he telling all of us around the world to 'get over it'


Im gutted for Ireland too but Keane is right - get over it.

Of course its unjust but it happens all the time.

There was never going to be a replay why would there be? really why? the refs decision is final that's it end of story and that's the rules.

You either have video footage to aid decisions or you don't - we don't so its up to the ref - I truly truly don't understand the fuss. This type of injustice happens all the time and whats boycotting any game going to achieve apart from you missing a game - all the correct rules were followed (apart from the spineless Henri who will pay for it)

Get over it.
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:22 pm

Constant protesting is what will change any game Nigel...and if this hastens some form of video analysis or second opinion then something will be salvaged. as you say it has happened all too often (remember Maradonna?) and it was simply Ireland's turn to take the brunt of an unfair decision...we protested as loudly and as vociferously as we could. Yes, it was always unlikely that in this instance a replay would have been granted but had the French had the guts to refuse to accept the result Fifa would have had no option. Coupled with the seeding sham, the handball goal has embarrassed the ordinary French fan and will continue to do so. Fifa under Sepp Blather and Platini is corrupt and it has filtered all the way down the game. If you want the status quo to remain then by all means say nothing, but it isn't in our nature! :D

btw...they had no problem changing the rules of qualification when it looked like France and Portugal wouldn't make it....Ronaldo is worth more money to them than Duff or Lawrence.
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:02 pm

Harry Cleary wrote:Constant protesting is what will change any game Nigel...and if this hastens some form of video analysis or second opinion then something will be salvaged. as you say it has happened all too often (remember Maradonna?) and it was simply Ireland's turn to take the brunt of an unfair decision...we protested as loudly and as vociferously as we could. Yes, it was always unlikely that in this instance a replay would have been granted but had the French had the guts to refuse to accept the result Fifa would have had no option. Coupled with the seeding sham, the handball goal has embarrassed the ordinary French fan and will continue to do so. Fifa under Sepp Blather and Platini is corrupt and it has filtered all the way down the game. If you want the status quo to remain then by all means say nothing, but it isn't in our nature! :D

btw...they had no problem changing the rules of qualification when it looked like France and Portugal wouldn't make it....Ronaldo is worth more money to them than Duff or Lawrence.


I do remember Maradonna ha ha you know I do! but didn't for a second want a replay because the rules are simple - refs decision is final. Remember too that bad decisions can also end a refs career.

I am not a huge football fan but........ I don't want video playbacks or second opinions what adds excitement and the anything can happen edge of the seat stuff in football IS because the ref doesn't see everything - sometimes it goes your way sometimes it doesn't.

This whole thing bugged me because some seemed to think there might be a replay - it was never going to happen you cant changes rules of an established game when it hasn't been done previously just because its your team or its a shame for any other reason.

Is this why folk are grieved? they want video? - does everyone really want to take the spontaneity out of football. Come on think about it football would be boring without ref error even if it is your team getting short end of the stick

It is a real shame and it was unfair for Ireland as it was for England in Mexico in 86 and I truly believe England have suffered badly due to bad reffing decisions that may have changed footballing history.

Hopefully what this will do is help bring integrity back as folk watch Henri's career as a sponsor go down the tubes and they take the right step and admit when they throw throw the ball not kick it. He is the villain, not the game not the ref, not Fifa and he will pay.

Ref errors - bring them on!!!!!!!!
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Post Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:07 pm

Australia lost to blatant acting with their loss from the world cup last time. Doesn't endear me to the game any more knowing that dishonesty pays.
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:25 am

Shane Drew wrote:Australia lost to blatant acting with their loss from the world cup last time. Doesn't endear me to the game any more knowing that dishonesty pays.


Got beat by Scotland today though fair and square! :D :D :D
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:55 am

Nigel Hindley wrote:
Shane Drew wrote:Australia lost to blatant acting with their loss from the world cup last time. Doesn't endear me to the game any more knowing that dishonesty pays.


Got beat by Scotland today though fair and square! :D :D :D

I think it fair to say that most aussies are please that Scotland broke their drought against the Aussies. What was it? the first Rugby win against us since Capt Cook was a boy wasn't it? :wink: :lol1: Well done anyway. Be drinks all round at the bar tonight I guess :P
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:42 pm

Don't think it was as recently as that Shane.. :lol1: :lol1:
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:29 pm

Nigel Hindley wrote:I do remember Maradonna ha ha you know I do! but didn't for a second want a replay because the rules are simple - refs decision is final. Remember too that bad decisions can also end a refs career.

I am not a huge football fan but........ I don't want video playbacks or second opinions what adds excitement and the anything can happen edge of the seat stuff in football IS because the ref doesn't see everything - sometimes it goes your way sometimes it doesn't.



That's a cheats charter Nigel.
Video works brilliantly in rugby...even in the Autumn Friendlies. Fair result for a fair effort is all that is being asked for. The only reason Fifa won't do this is because of money. Full stop. That is and always will be, wrong and anti sport.
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:36 pm

And this is MY rant thread....I didn't invite you in! :o :D :D
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:51 pm

Ha ha a cheats charter ill fine tune the small print and send it to Fifa will I? Sport is based on sportsmanship, skill and gentlemanly (is that a word) behavior It is my opinion that video would take the excitement and with football take the pace out of the game and therefore the enjoyment, you may as well abolish refs then and have lasers for offside and goals etc how exciting would that would that be!

I don't follow Rugby so wouldn't know how it works but Rugby is a game that's seems to have lots of stopping and starting so the flow wouldn't be affected.

Anyway Harry - I do apologize for crashing your thread, how dare I have an opinion? - you do deserve a rant a bloody good one I have ranted on the behalf of the Ireland team too!! it wasn't even you that made me reply its the constant and irrelevant, will there wont there - there should be a replay aaaaaghhhhh. :D (:)
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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:38 pm

Nigel Hindley wrote:Sport is based on sportsmanship, skill and gentlemanly (is that a word) behavior


Unfairness and cheating are not something I would associate with the words above Nigel. Replays don't slow down the TV experience and wouldn't on the pitch either. There are loads of options available other than video anyway, like the referee asking the player himself, if it later turns out they lied, then a lenghty ban....more eyes on the sideline would be another option. Sportsmanship has almost died out of this game because of the money involved.
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Post Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:20 am

Harry Cleary wrote:
Nigel Hindley wrote:Sport is based on sportsmanship, skill and gentlemanly (is that a word) behavior


Unfairness and cheating are not something I would associate with the words above Nigel. Replays don't slow down the TV experience and wouldn't on the pitch either. There are loads of options available other than video anyway, like the referee asking the player himself, if it later turns out they lied, then a lenghty ban....more eyes on the sideline would be another option. Sportsmanship has almost died out of this game because of the money involved.


I agree Harry I should have said 'should be' and as you say even the ref asking and a ban if a lie is found would be good - Video to me just seems a bit mechanical.

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Post Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:10 am

Money is the issue here, but what about the punters that have betting money riding on the result. It could be argued that they have been robbed :)
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Post Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:30 am

Shane Drew wrote: It could be argued that they have been robbed :)


I know Shane....we was! :( :(
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Post Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:00 pm

Interesting develeopment...no replay, but maybe the incident has put some pressure on Fifa to do something about ensuring Fair Play. Or maybe it's more window dressing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer ... 32782.html
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Post Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:44 am

The meeting has also been called in response to the hundreds of arrests across Europe by officers investigating corruption in football. :o

It would be interesting to see if any match officials are in the arrested group.

With so much money on gambling in soccer now, Ireland losing may well have been a more profitable result for someone higher up the chain?

I'm struggling with the conspiracy theory, but hopefully Phill will enlighten us with his interpretation.
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Post Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:05 am

Re: Fifa=Football Is Fixed Anyway

Harry Cleary wrote:Not content to just change the rules when it looked like the French wouldn't make it South Africa, Fifa stand over this. Serious investigations of that linesman and ref should be made. Ridiculous that that this sport doesn't have video judgments. Henry told the ref that he had handled it and the ref ignored it! Offside, and two hand balls??? Probably the best performance ever from an Irish team. What do you have to do?
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Heartbroken and angry, Ireland :( :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWjzBC58dA


Don't know much about conspiracy theories Shane - but what I do find strange is that Harry's original youtube link showing the event in question has been removed......:-?
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Post Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:28 am

Harry Cleary wrote:Interesting develeopment...no replay, but maybe the incident has put some pressure on Fifa to do something about ensuring Fair Play. Or maybe it's more window dressing.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer ... 32782.html



All interesting stuff...watch this space I guess, BUT I doubt anything will come out of it.



BTW....doe's anyone know how Wigan got on the weekend

t: :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o .............. w::(
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Post Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:56 pm

In the interests of Fair Play Fifa have granted a replay of the second half of extra time in the France -Ireland game....Ireland will play right to left :( :(
I suppose it's something! :D
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Post Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:33 pm

:D :D :D

That's briliant Harry,



By the time this thread dies I think Ireland will be starting their campaign for the 2014 world cup.
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