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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:23 pm

Advice Please

Afternoon all.

I am after some advice on a job i am quoting for. The remit is to apply the companies logo with "Cow Affect" wrap. that isn't the problem that i have come accross.
Where i think i may have a problem is twofold.

The Ice cream Trolley that the company has hired, has already got another companies livery on it (see pictures at bottom). So they have been told by the hiring company that YES they can have their own logo put on the trolley BUT it has to be returned to the state that it was hired out in. Shouldn't be a problem, apart from and here is where I’m not sure. The ice cream trolley is made out of a plastic very much like a cool box. So I think there may be a possible chance that in the removal of the old livery (with a heat gun even a gentle heat) the unit may become damaged (blotching comes to mind more than melting). Would it be better to use a chemical agent to remove the old vinyl and if so which one, as I think a chemical could damage the plastic too.

And also in the re-applying of the old livery where would i stand with copywrite ect? and having to make up the livery exactly as it was (there is a logo and somebody did design it) Can i do this or would it have to be redone by the company who originaly done the job?

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I have to get this quote in by monday so all thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:44 pm

Mort, this is probably way off tack or even possible, but I think I'd be looking along the lines
of wrapping the cart without removing the old stuff.
Using a temp vinyl, then applying the new vinyl onto this.

Obviously check this with the wiser more experianced heads here, but it may be a solution.

An alternative may be to apply onto 1mm fomex or 480micron pvc and fix this over the existing
vinyl, with double sided tape.

I know this may read as a shoddy solution, but with care it should still make an
attractive job. How long are they going to use it for?

Good luck.
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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:12 pm

Peter great idea, after speaking with McRod about this , this was the solution that we have come up with.

Thanks for your input
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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:28 pm

Bit late on this one, but would have clad it in foamex panels. as Paul said

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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:24 pm

Ok here's my thoughts........

The hire company, not the same company which the existing livery belongs too?

I think there may be some confusion in what is being requested by the hire company, might be worth calling them to double check.

I'm pretty sure returning it in its state is was hired out in, means as it would be before ANY logos are added. Beechdean Bob didn't return it in it's pre hired state, and rather than go to the expense of getting it stripped down again, they just pass it off as is to the next hirer, and probably charged Bob a fee for cleaning it off.

Unless of course they are planning on having it back so Bob can use it again!!
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Post Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:41 pm

I missed this mate & now ive had a couple of beers.. :o :-?
So excuse my daft reply if its is how it comes across… :wink:
If you can get away with an overlay image then that’s the way to go.
Make the logo up and sponsor name on it with an oval pin line of some sort around it.. You will see the impression of the old image under it but it’s the best you can do under the circumstances.
Remember though, I would advise a short life vinyl for (ONLY) the first layer of overlay. so its easy removed...

I know you’re new to the game but you don’t half get your fair share of difficult jobs to do.. :( :wink:

Hey mate dont think im complaining.. Keep them coming mate. But remember always to make the hassle worthwhile on the long run.

i wouldnt be to worried about the copyright re-do. just be sure its as close as... your not trying to sell it on as you own afterwards afterall. :wink:
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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:18 am

Cheers for the feedback.

Right looking into it the "hire company" turns out to be the comapny that owns the ice cream cart. They want the livery put back 100% as it was. the company that are using it have only got it till the end of March.
After reading the posts earlier and speaking to McRod, i'm going to clad the outside on all for sides with 5mill Forex, with the courners held together with thin angle aluminium (rivited) This way as soon as they finish with it, the sides come off and voila. well that is the plan.

I have now put that to the company and they have given me the job (which is nice :-? )

Thanks again for the feedback.
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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:18 pm

Hi Again.

I just got the unit into the workshop, and i have a query on the clading it in panels. As the courners are curved, i was thinking of using 1mm forex on it and bending it around the courners and fixing it on teh stright edge. with a tin strip under both edges and gluing them. would this work?? or if not forex what material would bend around this without too much trouble.
Leaving teh couners at a 90deg angle wouldn't look right even if i filed in teh top with a couner piece.

Thanks again for your help.

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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:51 pm

Paul,

Not sure quite what you mean when you say about the tin strip, but I would probably use 1mm foamex or 0.5mm solid pvc and fix with some doublesided tape round edges. I think I would use a solid acrylic adhesive type tape (.5mm or so thick) so it can be removed a lot easier than vhb when youre done.
You might need to apply a little heat to the corners as the radius looks quite tight to me - 1mm foam will take very little heat to soften it enough to form round the bend and stop it from being too "under tension".

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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:21 pm

Paul,

If using 1mm Foamex, can't you just do it in one piece, and join it at the back, with a strip d/sided tape
It would be in effect a floating panel; looking at photo you have a lip all round the top and bottom of the cart.
Hope this makes sense, as I too have been on the booze. *drink*

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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:32 pm

Paul, as has already been said if your going to use 1mm foam you could probably do it in one piece, if you are worried about heating the unit you could bend the foam round a post or something like that to get most of the shape, it looks like the cart tappers towards the bottom, if this is the case you will also need to bend the panels before you cut them to size.
I would also use a good double sided acrylic tape like Nigel has suggested but not a VHB tape.
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Post Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:35 pm

Looks like trouble to me, there’s more shape to that thing than meets the eye.

Have you considered using a piece of cheap unsupported banner material to wrap it in?

The easiest way would be to stick it with double-sided tape around the top and let it hang like a skirt. (That’s 'kilt' to those north of the border)

Or stick it top and bottom and down each corner keeping it taut, finish by sticking an overlap at the least noticeable corner. Make sure the material is plenty big enough to start and trim it to size once in place.


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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:08 pm

Hi Guys (& Gals)

The customer decided to have the unit stripped and she will sort out putting it back if she doesn't keep it.

This is how it turned out.

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Thanks goes to Sticky Mark for the digital Images, nice job Mark :D
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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:22 pm

Nice job Mort, hhhmmmm where have I seen that design before, hints of Wiseman Dairies. The graphic designer that came up with that design for Wiseman does work for me on the more complex jobs.

Glad you got it all sorted out eventually.

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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:38 pm

The Logo was supplied by the customer so where she got it from i honestly don't know :(

But as thats what she wanted thats what she got
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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:42 pm

Nice mate, looking good :D

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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:24 pm

you have made a great job of their logo mate. i like it :wink:
i know what dave means about the wiseman thing but i cant see the black & white being a copyright. just their logo maybe. i could be wrong i guess.
anyway.. brill work anmd thanks for letting us see how you got on. :wink:
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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:09 pm

Rob

I didn't design the logo, the artwork for that was supplied, and the cow print was what the customer asked for, so i suppose the ball is in there court on that one.

BTW the logo was printed for me by Sticky mark , and he done a great Job....
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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:39 pm

Nice 1

Mort,

That looks really good, the "cow pattern" works very well with the images,
Is the customer happy?
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Post Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:56 pm

ahh i see.. still, you have done a great job.. the cow pattern compliments the logo. :wink:

nice one mark. :wink:

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