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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:25 pm

would this layout be alright to use?

hold on to your hats, but this could be my first job. The client liked the direction
its going, so far; but I'd welcome any thoughts you'd like to add before I come up
with the final layout.

I did have a version with solid scrolls in the same colour blue, but they were too
heavy and sought too much attention. I also had an orange drop shadow which I may
or may not reintroduce.

I have some close ups of the hoarding(?) and would like to seek suggestions
as to mounting
or applying the final job, would that be ok to do in ths thread?

Anyway thanks for looking and for any advice you may have to offer.

ps text in scrolls reads "home made sausages" and "telephone 01982 etc"
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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:55 pm

Heres a later version (my prefered) but I get the feeling the client may want to stick with the arched text of the original.

Thanks all
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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:02 pm

Hi Peter,

I think the second design is cracking.


The sign would be nice on 5mm foam PVC gloss, to finnish it off a small ali frame.
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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:03 pm

Second design is much better. The lettering on the first one looks lost.

I would add a dot between M and Walsh and maybe try to get the bit's at the ends bigger.
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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:08 pm

Hi Peter.
My computer has PMS today & it won't let me see your second version.
My opinion on the first was...
Liked the scrolls....maybe move them in just a bit tighter.
The lettering in the arch needs to be not as tall (remember negative space) and if you softened the arch & stretched the name out a little bit more it would look bolder.
I like your style kiddo!
Love- JILL :cool:
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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:08 pm

just playing while my edge is printing

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Post Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:47 pm

Adrian has said it really with his design

It is appealing to have a little flourish now and then but caution needs to be exercised if this is going to interfere with legibilty

For example in your first example you had to tell us what the sign said and yet the picture looks as if it was taken from no further than the middle of the road (risky taking a picture from there! :lol: )

A sign, at the least, should be able to be read, without squinting, from the other side of the road.

But certainly full marks for originality and breaking away from what some might consider convention

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Post Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:00 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

As John says, Adrians design really says it all.

Couple that with the chat I had last night with Mike and I can see where the 'mechanics' (to quote mike)
of the sign just aren't working. I can't tell you how good it is to have all this experiance around
offering honest critique and guidance.

I know theres a book out there most of you swear by, re layout and hopefully
my local library service is beavering away as you read to wing a copy of it to me.

Thanks again to everyone, who contributed.
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Post Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:04 pm

Dang, forgot to ask.

Adrian, did those ornaments used come from a vector clipart cd?
If so where would I get hold of a copy?
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Post Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:37 pm

they come from the states

http://www.goldenstudios.com/

some free downloads from Mike Jacksons site available

Adrian
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Post Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:25 pm

Great site adrian, thanks for the link.
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:12 pm

Ok, I've used some of the advice/suggestion given and come up with the following...
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:18 pm

Peter,

I think it looks great, and would be very proud if it was my first sign
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:24 pm

Looks good to me Peter. :P

Simple & well balanced layout.
Not to busy with a modern / traditional style I guess if that makes sence.
Well done onwards & upwards all the best.


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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:24 pm

I had to delete the 2nd draft to post this version.

I think its better now for all your suggestions, it speaks clearly rather than whispering or shouting :D

My next task is to work out how to make and install it, so suggestions welcome.

Oh yeah here are the dimensions of the face board already there 146" by 20.5"

Personally I have the following concerns:

i) That keyline is long and would use at least 4m of vinyl, is it an expensive luxury

ii) Other than producing a wooden sign and painting it cream are there any other options
or would I have to go for a white (fomex, perspex)?

iii) Artwork is illustrator, can guys who cut vinyl (I'll be farming out) use pure AI files
with text converted to curves.

I'm sure theres more but thats it for now, thanks.
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 6:23 pm

Solved point ii) - I'll be going for Panatrim with a cream panel (front loading version)
All the same if the actual shop front panel measures 146" by 20.5" what measurement
should I give for the frame (ie 145" by 19.5", to allow a half inch each side)?
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:56 pm

Preview the file in wireframe mode and you'll be able to see if it is cuttable or not. You may have to do something with the contour around the main text.
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Post Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:58 pm

In my Opinion:

i) That keyline is long and would use at least 4m of vinyl, is it an expensive luxury

I think missing out on this would change the whole appeal of the sign.
You'l have to cut the boarder so cut the corners seperate and then the long and short bits, possition the corners and then put the long and short bits down. If it's cut on a 24" plotter it should all fit in one section 12'6" longish.

ii) Other than producing a wooden sign and painting it cream are there any other options or would I have to go for a white (fomex, perspex)?

You have this sorted now, but you'd definately need a front loading panatrim sign, incidently where are you getting the cream panel from?

iii) Artwork is illustrator, can guys who cut vinyl (I'll be farming out) use pure AI files with text converted to curves.

From experiance most sign packages will take an Illustrator EPS file but save it down to version 6 and it's a good idea to convert the text to curves. The only slight problem you might have, as John says, is with the outlines, if they are just made from single lines with a stroke thickness this will cut as only one line. If you view it in wire frame and only see one line for the outline then you need to make it two seperate components so you see two lines, as it's these lines in wire frame that will determine what the cutter cuts!

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Post Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:34 am

Jon/Lorraine yep it looks like the outline will be a problem, is there a niffty way to get
around it other then using the pen tool to create it?
(I think I may have a solutions but its a little involved to explain in a brief message and
may be far more complicated than need be. Especially if its already been sussed by someone
already).

Lorraine when I spoke to 'Universal Architectural Aluminium Systems' about the frame
and panel, I asked them if it were possible to have a cream panel. Does this sound unusual
to you?
If so I'd best double check before speaking to the client.

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Post Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:44 am

Hi peter,

I have done a few signs with cream panels..
"Classic Night Tandoori", there is a photo on this site some where, have a look, that uses panatrim frame and cream panels

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Post Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:53 am

No not unusual, just wanted to know where you were getting it from thats all :lol:

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