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John Childs

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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:54 am

does anyone have experience or advice on paper compactors

We have two 1100 litre bins, emptied weekly, for our waste backing paper and application tape which cost us £500 per year each.

Even then, some weeks we can't get all the rubbish in and we were in the position the other week where we had to get a skip to clear the excess which itself cost £138.00. Although that was a one-off.

So, I've been thinking about a paper compactor. I've not done a lot of research yet, but have found one small enough for our workshop, which produces bales which are a managable size for manual handling.

http://www.unic.co.uk/product.aspx/6/Paper_Compactor/

They cost about £1,800 but should allow us to get rid of one bin, at a saving of £500 per year.

Anybody got any experience or advice with this type of thing please. :D
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:08 am

John.

We put one in a few years ago, even though i hate paying for skips ( BO PEEP Or ZIPPO are cheaper :lol1:) I have to admit it is great, it's a 75kgs baler and will fit through a standard doorway. It's unreal what they hold.
It cost £2350 + Vat at the time, This seemed like a lot of money, but they hold their value and it's still worth over £2000 second hand as there is nothing to go wrong bar a small pump or motor.

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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:14 am

Ian Johnston wrote:they hold their value and it's still worth over £2000 second hand as there is nothing to go wrong bar a small pump or motor.

Good point Ian.

Thanks for the input.
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:06 pm

Ian,

Is your compactor air or electric?
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:46 pm

it's electric , it's the same as the attached ceco 75 baler

http://www.cecobalers.com/balers.html

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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:55 pm

Not really in the same league as the paper balers, but I got a household rubbish compactor.

Small unit, I think it was about £700.
Paid for itself within 1 year by saving on commercial refuse bags (which are about £2.30 each!!!). 10 bags down to 1 usually.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link, but I'll try anyway. www.hardall.co.uk, the product is a HARPAC/ISE 8251
REFUSE COMPACTOR.

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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:41 am

http://www.hardall.co.uk/8251.html

as in this one geoz?

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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:43 am

Ian Johnston wrote:it's electric , it's the same as the attached ceco 75 baler

http://www.cecobalers.com/balers.html

Ian


We had one of those at the end of a production line..fantastic bit of kit.
75Kg of plastic wrapping is one hell of a lot of plastic!! we emptied it oince a week.

Question.. How do you get rid of the bale?? is it collected by a waste processor.
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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:18 pm

Yup, that's the one.

All I do is load it with waste, press the button, and keep going till it compacts no more, then transfer the lot into a bag - job done.

Before I ordered it, I asked if it would be suitable for vinyl/app tape/etc., and they said it should achieve a ratio of 4 or 5 to 1. Now I've used it for a few years I can tell that the ratio is more like 10 to 1.
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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:57 pm

Darryl Seager wrote:Question.. How do you get rid of the bale?? is it collected by a waste processor.

Good question Darryl.

That's why I'm looking for a small compactor, to produce small enough bales for manual handling. I reckon anything up to 50kg should be fine.

I intend to put the compressed paper bales into the same bin that we already have emptied once a week. My saving will come from only needing one bin instead of the two we currently have.
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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:15 pm

have you no muscles :lol1: :lol1:

75kgs is not that heavy!!!, two people can easily lift it into a skip or bin.
I use to work making roof trusses, 2 men lifting 145kgs atic trusses all day every day, thats why i love sign making :lol1:
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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:21 pm

Ian Johnston wrote:have you no muscles :lol1: :lol1:

Well, yeah I have. But my little girlies haven't.

That's why we've only got a 760 wide printer. They couldn't pick up a 1530 roll. :D
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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:27 pm

John, just one thing to think about. what's the maximum loading on the bin's and if you filled it with bales of compacted material would you exceed the max lifting weight for the bin?
I'm sure you have already checked things like that but worth mentioning just in case.
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Post Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:35 am

A good point Martin, but I don't think it's a problem. In fact I think our bin men might be grateful.

It's usually when we've been doing bigger jobs, so the waste is in larger sections and therefore jams easier, but they often have trouble getting our waste to fall out of the bin and into their truck because it is so light. Then they have to get the youngster to climb up on the back of their truck, into the upturned bin, to pull it all out by hand.

If we get anything denser than normal we try to make sure that it goes into the bottom of the bins so that the extra weight helps push the paper out.
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Post Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:35 am

John there is a refurbished Unic on fleebay at the mo.

Didn't get bike, got Roland printer instead, hopefully that will help me buy the bike in the near future. :D

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Post Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:14 am

Thanks for thinking of me Dave.

Although we do have a small compressor we don't really have a need for one, other than blowing up car tyres, so when it dies it probably won't be replaced. We've only got it at all because I got it cheap.

Also I decided that an electric compactor would be a lot easier and more convenient to operate, as well as hopefully being a lot quieter. An added advantage is that, by buying a single phase model, we have the option of putting it on a trailer and taking it on-site. That would have been handy, and a great cost saver, over the last few months when most of our rubbish has been generated at a customer's premises.

So, after a recommendation by Ian Johnston, and a lot of blarney from the supplier, I have ordered a Ceco. Hopefully should arrive in a day or two.


Sorry to hear you lost the bike. They're much more fun than a printer. :)
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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:50 pm

Arrived yesterday. Been emptying bins into it ever since and it's nowhere near full yet. :D


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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:25 pm

John is there any restriction as to what you can put in it ?? how does it get emptied ?? did you say how much ??


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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:55 pm

Lynn,

Nothing solid, like wood, but all the usual cardboard, backing paper, waste vinyl, roll cores and app tape. I don't think glass bottles would be a good idea either, although plastic Coke bottles go off with a satisfying bang if we forget to leave the cap off. :) The office girl didn't think it a good idea when I suggested she try it out for size either.

We will just take out the bales and put them in our 1100 litre bin (having got rid of the second one) which the council empties weekly.

The cost was 3,500 Euros, but it is a good strong industrial bit of kit which should last for years, and still retain a lot of it's value. If it was just me using it something cheaper and lighter would have been fine, but mine needs to be employee proof, because they can destroy anything in short order.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:37 am

John what in goodness sakes name are euro's and is thet a week or year :roll:


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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:45 am

Lynn,

The EuroRouble is the official currency of the EU. As the machine is made in Ireland I had to pay in their currency. Not a good exchange rate at the moment though. :(

That price is for outright purchase.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:58 am

so in proper money John ??

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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:05 am

John - couldn't you just go and dump your rubbish out in the country side in the dead of night like the rest of us all do :-?
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:48 am

Phill wrote:couldn't you just go and dump your rubbish out in the country side in the dead of night like the rest of us all do :-?

No. I have to live there. :D

I'd be more likely to dump it in a town. Council office steps maybe? :D
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:26 pm

I told ya it would hold a lot of stuff. hope your as pleased with yours as i am mine

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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:25 pm

John
if you check out some of your recycling companies they will pick baled card & paper up for free, very large quantities they even sometimes pay.
When i was engineering in a coffee factory we had one that baled a pallet size bale at the time, a truck then use to turn up with a hiab on & take them of to their recycling plant every 2 weeks.

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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:25 pm

Kev,

I've looked into recycling but apart from cardboard boxes, which aren't a major part of our waste, nobody wants it.

Apparently the silicone coating on the release paper renders it useless for recycling, as does the adhesive on the application tape and vinyl.

The best I can do is to make sure that our waste takes up as small a volume in the landfill as I can.

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Post Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:24 am

John, didn't realise your into time travel?

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