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Gray.Hodge

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Post Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:24 pm

Can anyone tell me which gold looks the closest to gold leaf

I read what was said earlier https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.p ... ngold#8368

But, I'm wondering if anyone has anything new to add about signgold, I was thinking of looking at using it.

The stuff is flippin expensive, over $110 a metre for 381mm here.

Can anyone tell me which gold looks the closest to gold leaf?
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Post Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:27 pm

But Why... (?)
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Post Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:55 pm

Signgold is 22K Gold (plus clear Tedlar film and permanent adhesive), so it ought to look pretty close to "the real thing"...which should also explain the price.

IMHO, the "trick" is to play the SignGold card with the right type of customer...someone who is looking to you for something unique...someone who will take as much pride in their new sign as you do in designing/manufacturing/installing it for them...someone who would like to be able to "brag" a bit about their sign having real gold in it...and (of course) someone willing to pay a little extra.

SignGold is not a replacement for guilding, but not everyone has the time and/or the skill-set...so it is a nice alternative -- and a means for increasing the elegance of and perceived value of a sign.

In most cases, you only ever really need to use SignGold as an accent, so the price per yard is also a little less relevant...especially (again) when you have a customer who is willing to pay more for something a little more unique.
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Post Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:19 pm

Gray I just worked it out, thats about the same price we pay here about 40 quid a metre, yup it is expensive but you don't use much and I tend to pitch it at the flash b'stards, you knw those with more money than sense, people with boats and planes you know Mike Brown etc. etc. ( :lol: :lol: sorry Mike couldn't resist it :lol: :lol: )
The satin surface stuff looks closest to transfer leaf although I like the florentine swirl stuff my self.
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Post Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:51 pm

I picked up a sample of signgold at last years Sign UK.

Is it me or does the surface seem a little spongy and prone to marking. If I used it on a vehicle I think I would be a bit worried :-?
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Post Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:52 am

Thank you Jon, Steve and Mike for your thoughts.
My main use would be gold lettering on honour boards, I've done dozens of boards in the past with the brush, guess I just am getting lazy, but also want to bring more consistent lettering to a board.

With brush lettering, boards that have been going for years display different styles/abilities - all making a rather hotch-potch result.

I thought a neat consistent result might be a selling point for signgold.

I've never used it on vehicles, and probably never will, so outdoor life is not an issue.
I'll see if I can get a sample pack, cheers lads.
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Post Wed Apr 30, 2003 5:40 am

I only use tranferleaf on my dimensional signs, but bought a roll of SignGold for other small bits and pieces (5yds) and it lasts a long time. They have a good selection to choose from and a good to work with, and probably ideal for honour boards.
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Post Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:41 am

Hi Gray,

I like you do my share of honours boards, but don’t you think that it’s that change of style and ability of the signwriters over the years that add to their appeal!

I think to have your name written by hand and gilded befits the honour, ‘sticky back letters’ don’t have quiet the same charm.

Don’t give in to your lazy side; lets try and keep just a little of the old craft in this changing business. :wink:
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Post Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:29 pm

I agree with Alan, Gray
Thats what makes it signwriting & gilding
Some customers expect the difference in style
They feel it adds the character

Mind you a few lines of 1" high Trajan or Roman done with a '0' sable (sorry guys, traditional jargon) can leave your eyes a bit sore :o :o (<( (<( (<(

The temptation is there Gray (I must admit I might be tempted too)

John

PS. Signgold does have a high laquered finish which might conflict with the traditional brush
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Post Thu May 01, 2003 1:14 am

Oh dear, I'm feeling all guilty now, how, O how, could I have even thought of leaving the brush and transfer leaf for sticky letters?

What can I say? I was tempted, seduced by the computer, cunningly drawn away from my first love to play the harlot with another medium, for the sake of the few minutes pleasure of a quickie sign.

I repent, I will go to my brush, look at her with renewed affection and promise never to wander away from her again.

What was the price of signgold again? :lol:
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Post Thu May 01, 2003 11:00 pm

Sad as it may be you are probably right Gray. :cry:

I know I can make more money sticking vinyl onto a bit of Correx than I can wielding a brush and one shot. :lol:
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Post Fri May 02, 2003 2:08 am

Gents:

Signgold and Sticky Stuff doesn't have to mean the end of the craft of sign making in your business.

With all due respect, if you're capable of painting & guilding AND cutting vinyl, why not offer your customers both options, priced accordingly? If you REALLY LOVE guilding, your enthusiasm for it might just be contagious. If you can excite someone about the real deal, you can sell it to them (and for top dollar).

To be perfectly honest, I never really thought much of anything about guilding until a customer of ours (Pat Welter in Unity, Saskatchewan...a real master craftsman) tried to teach me how to guild glass. The process is almost magical...fascinating to watch. If your customers could actually see you doing it (at an open house, for example...do you ever hold open houses?) they might just line up for it, cheque book in hand.
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Post Fri May 02, 2003 10:46 am

Hi John,
As a traditional signwriter who specialises in glass gilding I am not sure if the product "Signgold" has the same qualities as loose gold leaf and could therefore never be regarded as an alternative product, but an imitation product.

Brian.
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Post Fri May 02, 2003 11:06 am

I agree with Brian,
Why did they use real 22 carat gold, when they could have made normal gold vinyl look like gold leaf..
If a customer has asked for gold leaf they want gold leaf, not gold vinyl
I think it is an expensive gimick,
Somethings are best left to the experts.
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Post Fri May 02, 2003 12:32 pm

Well I did an honours board yesterday and another one this morning, so I’m still doing my bit. :wink:
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Post Fri May 02, 2003 9:05 pm

Nothing can beat glass gilding
It stands out in a league of its own
When I tell customers the process can take up to three or four days to complete to do a simple number above the 'transom' (glass above the door) they slowly begin to understand the price quoted

But the end result? Magical! Pie hot

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Post Fri May 02, 2003 11:24 pm

Gray,at last years sign show on the Signgold stand they had some excellent sample boards from the States where they had used Signgold in conjunction with paint( for outlines,shadows,graphics etc)I thought the two complimented each other very well.
Alan I too update several honours boards with both paint and gold leaf,and yes it is nice to see the change in styles over the years but sometimes it can be quite a job bringing the lettering back into line as it gets bigger every year,and on one set of boards they hadn't even noticed that the last chap had started using gold paint instead of leaf.
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Post Sat May 03, 2003 12:03 am

sometimes it can be quite a job bringing the lettering back into line



That’s funny Pete, I’ve followed that chap too. :)

On Thursday’s effort I had to drop the right hand side of the line an eighth to start bringing it back to level.
Still you see worse on the back of vans with vinyl put on ‘level’ by eye, presumably the van had it’s near side wheels up on the curb at the time. :roll:
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Post Mon May 05, 2003 4:57 am

Alan,
I keep up on a few trophy boards an one thing I started doing is screen printing. I cut the silkscreen stencil with the plotter, & also the name of the past winner. I use that for alignment, but mask it off with clear tape. A clear overcoat varnish ink can work well as a gold size,also.
I always get the names in advance, & I can usually get 8 names spaced comfortably on one screen 16" x 20".
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It can give a very clean look with the proper font used.
Jeff
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Post Mon May 05, 2003 10:24 am

Pete, that's interesting, thanks, I'm waiting on a sample to arrive tomorrow of another kind of "gold leaf vinyl", it is half the price of Signgold.
I had a look at signgold, I thought it looked very 'thick', and didn't look as good as gold transfer leaf, easier to apply tho I guess.

I've seen people use gold paint instead of gold leaf, what a rough-as-guts thing to do, they should be shot!
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Post Mon May 05, 2003 11:15 am

Hi Jeff

That’s a good-looking board you have there.

I must admit that screen-printing is something I’ve never dabbled in, but seeing it used in this way tempts me towards having play.
I can’t in all honesty though see it being an economic proposition for making a number of single entries, the brush must still hold it’s own in that respect.

Alan
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Post Wed May 07, 2003 10:26 pm

I thought screen printing was just something you had to do at college? On anything but a perfect surface doesn't it bleed into the grain,I tried using a vinyl mask to apply the size with Mike the sign but had this problem as they're usually oiled or waxed rather thn varnished. And yes Gray , Signgold would probably be too thick for honours boards.I quite often see the corners peeling up on vinyled honours boards where the cleaners have been a bit heavy with the duster.

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